Putin & Russia

[Trixster]

Didn't one guy who refused to push the button (cause he rightly believed it was a fault). Get court marshalled and kicked out of the military? As he had failed to follow procedure.

I actually thought it was one of the presidents who did it, some test rocket or some such was picked up and the military believed it was the US attacking and wanted retaliate but the president at the time wanted more time/info.

 

[Lilbaz]

I actually thought it was one of the presidents who did it, some test rocket or some such was picked up and the military believed it was the US attacking and wanted retaliate but the president at the time wanted more time/info.

I posted the link above.

 

[Trixster]

I posted the link above.

Aye.
I was thinking of this one, but had it in reverse.

The number of "incidents" over the years is quite scary

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Fine line between trolling and pricking at arguments for your own enjoyment in the midst of a conversation about this war. Perhaps you weren't surprised by the accusation that followed and enjoyed that too?

I am always disappointed when people do not agree with my views not surprised though, few have my forethought and breadth of understanding.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Every board needs a prick, I suppose.

@scaramanga has this title. Few hippies on here could take it as well.

I am a misunderstood genius.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Unfortunately I think the UK and US expect the Ukraine to be taken and sanctions are as far as they are willing to go. The government said today they draw the line at sending troops because thats a declaration of war. Its a shocker of a situation but sanctions are not workign to stop it and no one is willing to intervene, so its a case of seeing this out now

Pretty obvious I would have thought.

I imagine border defences with Russia will be beefed up and the world will keep on turning. Is the sensible thing to do, to prevent an all out war.

If you think it is a good thing then you will be glad the EU were involved with the negotiations if you think it is a bad thing then the UK were to involved with the decision.

 

[Lilbaz]

Aye.
I was thinking of this one, but had it in reverse.

The number of "incidents" over the years is quite scary

Probably others that have been hushed up aswell.

 

[glasgowspur]

My mate from football, who is a para, has just pulled out of the squad for tomorrow because he's suddenly got to go to Estonia early next week. Could be a last minute stag do drop out of course, but who knows

Its a fair way from Estonia to Ukraine. And through Belarus, a Russian ally.
The Estonians hate Russia.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

So according to Biden America and UK want to kick Russia out of swift but the Germans Italy and Dutch are against it. That would be the British government who are elected stooges of Russia wanting to punish it while others stand back.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Its a fair way from Estonia to Ukraine. And through Belarus, a Russian ally.
The Estonians hate Russia.

Ben Wallace announced it this afternoon anyway - we are deploying troops to the Baltic to shore up those NATO allies

 

[SpurMeUp]

So according to Biden America and UK want to kick Russia out of swift but the Germans Italy and Dutch are against it. That would be the British government who are elected stooges of Russia wanting to punish it while others stand back.

Knowing nations in the EU will likely not want to stop energy imports, it is the perfect thing for asset Johson to back - knowing others will veto it. He can look anti-Russian while the Conservative establishment take the Russian derived donations and shares in gold mines.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Knowing nations in the EU will likely not want to stop energy imports, it is the perfect thing for asset Johson to back - knowing others will veto it. He can look anti-Russian while the Conservative establishment take the Russian derived donations and shares in gold mines.

The fact is the German, Dutch and Italians have been called out for not punishing the Russians. So do not deflect are they wrong to do that?

 

[scaramanga]

Their black sea fleet is based in crimea.
They need access to the med and the suez canal. Most of their trade goes through there.
They don't want enemies on their border (jfk was similar with cuba). Especially as those areas are of strategic importance.
Nato would control their trade with europe especially gas supplies.

They've said for years ukraine joins nato they push the button. It's why nato hasn't let ukraine join.

I posted other reasons a couple of pages back.

You're going to have to spell out for me what it is NATO would do to Russia if Ukraine joined.

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

You're going to have to spell out for me what it is NATO would do to Russia if Ukraine joined.

That’s what NATO signally failed to do when vague talks were held about Ukraine joining, by some accounts.

 

[Rorschach]

Finland and Sweden participate in NATO virtual summit, I assume invited after Russia's threat to them.

 

[Robbo]

Didn't realise this guy (right) is the mayor of Kyev. If he had any balls, Putin should man up and take on Klitscko in a duel to decide who takes the capital.

 

[scaramanga]

Didn't realise this guy (right) is the mayor of Kyev. If he had any balls, Putin should man up and take on Klitscko in a duel to decide who takes the capital.

If Putin had a stepladder he might just reach to punch him in the nuts.

 

[Lilbaz]

You're going to have to spell out for me what it is NATO would do to Russia if Ukraine joined.

Nothing.

 

[scaramanga]

Nothing.

Quite. So Russia should have no problem with Ukraine being a member.

 

[Lilbaz]

Quite. So Russia should have no problem with Ukraine being a member.

My bad. Thought you said what would nato do if ukraine joined russia.

If ukraine joined nato, the us would tighten the screws on russia. Probably build a base or two there.
They'd have them over a barrell. They'd do pretty much they want in the rest of the world. They're already cutting off china.