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Putin & Russia

Mikey10 said:
Russia is in need, according to most reports, of 2 -3 years of replenishing its military forces and equipment if it is to do much more than hold the lines in Ukraine - although they may be able to make more rapid progress in Ukraine if the US completely steps away due to lack of air cover.

Europe will hope be in a much stronger and more organised military position within that time frame.

I don’t think it’s necessarily quite so cut and dried as you say.
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In x years, sure Europe will be better prepared- But even then they will not be sending troops into a war zone.

This is all ten years too late.
 
johnola said:
In x years, sure Europe will be better prepared- But even then they will not be sending troops into a war zone.

This is all ten years too late.
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It’s definitely too late. I’m not as sure as you that we won’t see European boots on the ground in Ukraine, though. Things are changing at an incredible pace.
 
johnola said:
The deal Trump brokered is not available to Europe full stop. Russia will not tolerate that- Europe is a target for them not a threat.

When was the last time Germany and or Polish troops were in combat? We are told that Germany does not consider itself to be properly armed to defend itself let alone launch a military adventure against a potent adversary.

Europe is years away from being able to defend itself from Russia without US assistance.
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War is different now ...we have seen what a slog it has been for Russia to make inroads into Ukraine.

I'd hazard a guess that the brilliant minds and skillsets within Europe are on a different level compared to those of an antiquated Russian war machine.

Much combat is well away from the front line.
Big (costly) machinery can be lost in an instant these days with weapons that cost (in relation) a miniscule amount.

Nukes, obviously, are a different conversation.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
War is different now ...we have seen what a slog it has been for Russia to make inroads into Ukraine.

I'd hazard a guess that the brilliant minds and skillsets within Europe are on a different level compared to those of an antiquated Russian war machine.

Much combat is well away from the front line.
Big (costly) machinery can be lost in an instant these days with weapons that cost (in relation) a miniscule amount.

Nukes, obviously, are a different conversation.
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Russia could not even conquer Ukraine after years of everyone thinking it would be a walk in the park. Maybe a simplistic look but there is a reason Trump wants the war to end and thats because Russia are in big trouble economically and military wise. I have no doubt the combined force of Europe would be good enough, including intelligence to strongly hold their own.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Russia could not even conquer Ukraine after years of everyone thinking it would be a walk in the park. Maybe a simplistic look but there is a reason Trump wants the war to end and thats because Russia are in big trouble economically and military wise. I have no doubt the combined force of Europe would be good enough, including intelligence to strongly hold their own.
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It's not hard to draw conclusions from the fact that Trump and Putin enjoy their own private dialogue and furthermore when a meeting is set up to discuss 'a deal' to end the war, one of the countries (and another one of their main backers) are not invited. It's absurd. Put yourself in Ukraines shoes...no clue what's being said and behind the scenes. It's your fudging country they're talking about. (Toying with). It's shameful.

Ultimately...I think you just have to draw a line, exile America. That has its risks BUT one has to remember keeping them in the loop, keeping them in the conversation, keeps Trump in the conversation and your open to the Trump mayhem day after fudging day ...it's exhausting. This is all Trump chaos. If Harris had won the election or even the Republicans, with a different leader, none of this would be happening.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Russia could not even conquer Ukraine after years of everyone thinking it would be a walk in the park. Maybe a simplistic look but there is a reason Trump wants the war to end and thats because Russia are in big trouble economically and military wise. I have no doubt the combined force of Europe would be good enough, including intelligence to strongly hold their own.
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Hmmmm.....is that the key to stopping/diluting Trump?
It's hard to tell what he wants - I think he's ideological, but then it just seems to be about him and deals.
 
I think there has been such a change in Trump since he took power.

Obviously he knows there is no need for him to be restrained at all given he won't have to run for office again.

For me its been the final piece of confirmation for me to fully appreicate that he isn't stupid. He is just a pure evil bully.
 
Craig_J said:
I find it baffling there are people who look up this guy.

Look at him with Zelensky.

Completely unhinged. Rambling off about all kinds of crap that bears no relevance to anything.
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Some people like that.
Some people are like that.

We are a species that physically assault, mentally assault, ra pe, kill for fun.....
 
monkeybarry said:
Some people like that.
Some people are like that.

We are a species that physically assault, mentally assault, ra pe, kill for fun.....
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I think some people hink its kind of a real life soap opera that they find funny.

Except that crazy guy barking at a world leader about what he should do with his own countrys land and resources has nukes.

I didnt expect a Trump presidency to be calm of course. I fully expected him to hand Putin anything he desires.

But I never thought I would be seriously thinking nuclear war might arrive with him in. I would have thought that too far.

Now nothing would suprise me seeing how rabid he is. I am prepared for the worst. Any number of things could play out and I no longer trust Trump is sane enough to not go kamikaze
 
monkeybarry said:
Hmmmm.....is that the key to stopping/diluting Trump?
It's hard to tell what he wants - I think he's ideological, but then it just seems to be about him and deals.
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All you need to do with Trump is kiss his ass. That’s what Putin did years ago and explains why Trump is so enamoured with him.
 
Jurgen the German said:
All you need to do with Trump is kiss his ass. That’s what Putin did years ago and explains why Trump is so enamoured with him.
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I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of their relationship but it does seem it predates Trumps 2016 run for president.

3 elections in a row Putin has gone all chips in on him.
 
Heard Donald Trump saying to Zelenksy "Obama gave you sheets - I gave you javellins"

Trump fought the sale of javellins the enitre way and eventually threatend Zelenksy with withholding them unless he gave him dirty on Hunter Biden leading to his first impeachment :tearsofjoy:
 
Mikey10 said:
Interesting and timely watch.

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Craig Unger? Must watch this later.

The person who helped him research House of Trump, House of Putin was a woman called Olga Lautman. Years ago I heard one of her interviews about Trump and what they knew about him before the first presidential run. He was in bed with the Russian mafia from way back and it was barely a secret. How he was allowed to run the first time, let alone twice, is astounding. A complete failure of intelligence unless they were complicit (Kendzior's theory).
 
slate.com

The Most Tragic Part of That Disastrous Trump-Zelensky Meeting

Ironically, the meeting, with its treaty signing, had been shaping up to be a success.
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I feel this is a good analyis of the situation.

Seeing everything in written format with descriptions of the turns of events does give the impression of a poorly rehearsed drama.

Even the Truth Social response:

"’Its amazing what comes out through emotion, and I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations. I don’t want advantage, I want PEACE."

Why would you need a face to face meeting witb Zelenksy to know the OBVISOULY American involvement is a big advanntage to peace negoitations?

Espeically when Zelensky did not mention anything of the sort?

And JD Vance saying "by the way boss, he didn't say thank you"

Followed by "WTF?!?@!@!@@! YOU DON'T HOLD ALL THE CARD!"

It is offbeat and clear that the moment was reheasrsed - which is why it seems so forced.

No matter what Zelensky did that day....he never would have got anywhere with anyone.
 
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