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r-u-s-x01 said:
Surely economies of scale are a factor in trade, as is breaking down barriers of entry. Why are you so adamant that trade needs diversity? Not sure if it was you but there has been a narrative that we should get closer to our Anglo friends in the USA, Canada and Australia, we offer nothing that they don't do in house.

I don't think diversity is necessary for trade, other than national resources as globalisation increases we will all offer similar services anyhow. More consumers with a good standard of living (£££) seems to be the goal now.
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There's no need to trade the same things. Trade works when you have different deficits of either raw materials, labour, manufacturing of certain level (basic-to-highly advanced) or market. Canada and Australia for example have lots of raw materials, which western europe doesn't really. But they have relatively small internal markets because their populations are small compared to densly populated western europe.
 
Gutter Boy said:
There's no need to trade the same things. Trade works when you have different deficits of either raw materials, labour, manufacturing of certain level (basic-to-highly advanced) or market. Canada and Australia for example have lots of raw materials, which western europe doesn't really. But they have relatively small internal markets because their populations are small compared to densly populated western europe.
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That's just your opinion right, and I would agree that is a good reason for trade. But getting access to a larger market also needs to be considered hence globalisation for similar countries.
 
milo said:
Another good reason for delay triggering A50 until after the French and German elections
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The rest of the EU has been stressing just how vulnerable their markets were until we announced a deadline, I can't believe that we tinkled away such a strong bargaining chip so easily.

We should have used the threat of dragging it out to bring them to the table before the announcement (it was only Juncker being a rooster that was stopping them) and to get some bargaining underway.
 
scaramanga said:
The rest of the EU has been stressing just how vulnerable their markets were until we announced a deadline, I can't believe that we tinkleed away such a strong bargaining chip so easily.

We should have used the threat of dragging it out to bring them to the table before the announcement (it was only Juncker being a rooster that was stopping them) and to get some bargaining underway.
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It is the only part of the process that we control the timing of, so it was stupid to throw it away on giving Teresa May any easy ride at the Tory conference.

We were never going to be able to carry out any serious negotiations until after the French and German elections and the government would have been better off saying so from the start.

I did notice that the line has been softened now from "we will trigger A50 before the end of March" to "we will be ready to trigger A50 by the end of March".
 
There are UK local elections on 4 May though. UKIP will sweep the board if there's been backtracking on the 31 March promise.
 
Gutter Boy said:
There are UK local elections on 4 May though. UKIP will sweep the board if there's been backtracking on the 31 March promise.
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I don't think that is the case. It is only a small minority that are preoccupied with Brexit and leaving quickly. Many of those will be UKIP voters anyway and the Tories will probably just ramp up the rhetoric and blame the courts.
 
milo said:
I don't think that any of those posts accuse leave voters of being racists. The leave campaign did use racist language and lied about immigration. That does not mean that everyone who voted leave is a racist.

One way to reconcile the divide would be if
Brexit supporters condemned the racist tactics used by elements of the campaign and the spike in race hate crime since the referendum.
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Why am i not surprised to see you say that :rolleyes:, the point is that you said there was no posts in this thread suggesting that Brexit voters were racist, rightwing, Facist etc. I quoted several that showed you were wrong in that assumption. Now you can say that you do not think that any of those posts ( which you said did not exist) suggest any type of racism but i guess you have to stick to your narrative though.

You have your opinion and you will obviously stick to it no matter what, i have mine and i will as well.
 
parklane1 said:
Why am i not surprised to see you say that :rolleyes:, the point is that you said there was no posts in this thread suggesting that Brexit voters were racist, rightwing, Facist etc. I quoted several that showed you were wrong in that assumption. Now you can say that you do not think that any of those posts ( which you said did not exist) suggest any type of racism but i guess you have to stick to your narrative though.

You have your opinion and you will obviously stick to it no matter what, i have mine and i will as well.
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Do you think that those posts were referring to Brexit voters or the campaign?
 
milo said:
Please can you point me to a single post in this thread accusing you of being a racist. If you cannot find one, I suggest that you "get over it".

I accept that the country has voted to leave the EU. What I have not heard from anyone in the leave camp is a coherent argument of where we should go after that.

Is it any surprise that the vacuum of leadership and direction from the leave campaign has been filled by people who supported remain asking what the hell we are meant to do now?
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This is the crux of it.

The Leave campaigners campaigned for Brexit; the Leave voters voted for Brexit. None of them actually knew, in reality, what that meant. And still don't.

It's like being offered a new job and taking it not knowing what you'll be paid, where it's based or what you'll be doing, but at the same time being sure it'll be better than the last job you had.
 
Gutter Boy said:
But I also think the European project is fundamentally flawed and doomed, and just like saving ourselves from the Eurozone, we'll avoid the worse pain to come by making a break now. The EU is economies too similar to each other (trade needs diversity) which are uncompetitive, stagnating and its drive for uniformity and doctrine pitches itself against innovation. Freeing ourselves from it will allow us to become dynamic and agile again. The South Korea of Europe.
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Which European economies are we similar to?
 
The thing I find interesting about Politics is how Farage likes Trump but hates Putin, but Trump likes and admires Putin. It is kind of like schoolgirls in a playground.

I have my money on Trump giving a hickey to Le Penn behind the bike shed at an international summit next year.
 
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