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galeforce said:
ah, so that includes Space X too?
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On a smaller scale, SpaceX, Musk's rocket company, cut a deal for about $20 million in economic development subsidies from Texas to construct a launch facility there. (Separate from incentives, SpaceX has won more than $5.5 billion in government contracts from NASA and the U.S. Air Force.)

Subsidies are handed out in all kinds of industries, with U.S. corporations collecting tens of billions of dollars each year, according to Good Jobs First, a nonprofit that tracks government subsidies. And the incentives for solar panels and electric cars are available to all companies that sell them.

Lets bow out and let the thread get back to good ol Brisket.
 
Ultimately its churlish to suggest to nurses, teachers etc. who are now paying for bankers bonuses with wage freezes, that markets regulate themselves. Unfettered markets almost brought down capitalism.
 
I don't think the link between banker bonuses and teacher/nurse wages is any stronger than the one between banker bonuses and any private enterprise role

that's two historically undervalued professions and the associated wages say more about general society values than financial markets
 
[QUOTE="galeforce, post: 855622, member: 91"]I don't think the link between banker bonuses and teacher/nurse wages is any stronger than the one between banker bonuses and any private enterprise role

that's two historically undervalued professions and the associated wages say more about general society values than financial markets[/QUOTE]

Teachers and Nurses is just a way to present it. The truth is, bailing out banks costs all of us - anyone who uses the NHS, anyone who is tied to the health of the economy. Had the government not been forced to borrow to bail out banks, there would have been far far more money available for the NHS, schools etc. which have seen cost freezes even cuts. Billions and billions went into saving banks. Banks that continue to pay massive bonuses to bankers. Is the link as tenuous as you think?

We are all paying for the failings of unregulated free markets.
 
galeforce said:
general politics thread dude, it's all relevant

although I guess we should chat Brexit whilst we can, we'll all be unemployed and unable to afford an internet connection when it kicks in
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Don't be an idiot





..... plenty of jobs mopping out the skuttle shed will available
 
galeforce said:
night night ;-)

quality will always tell, you can undercut on price but only at expense on materials

look at Apple and Samsung, similar sales, a huge disparity in market profits, Apple have a smartphone monopoly
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As will first mover advantage.

A genuinely superior product will be difficult to effectively replicate - first mover advantage gives you the headstart on production, marketing etc to get it to market and the reputation that goes with it.
Others will then try and get in on the act, the market will saturate and then the stragglers will drop off.

If the product was truly superior the first mover will still be strong in the market, if not still leader.

Good case study would be the iPod - genuinely revolutionary for its first 3 or 4 incarnations, saw off competition from some very innovative small firms (creative xen springs to mine) and some very powerful big ones (anyone still got a Zune in a drawer?!).
 
Does anyone actually want Brexit anymore?

We need a vote on here. And I can't see how the country could go forward without a vote too, once we know what Brexit actually means.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Does anyone actually want Brexit anymore?

We need a vote on here. And I can't see how the country could go forward without a vote too, once we know what Brexit actually means.
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I think this a good question. But do you really expect people to say, they got it wrong?
I dont.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Does anyone actually want Brexit anymore?

We need a vote on here. And I can't see how the country could go forward without a vote too, once we know what Brexit actually means.
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About 52% of people I expect.

The leave campaign threw everything they had at it and still couldn't batter down people's courage to say 'no more'. Like 1588, 1803 and 1940, Britain stood alone but still drew it's line in the sand.

Brexit means anything but the European Commission deciding everything. The possibilities are endless.
 
Gutter Boy said:
About 52% of people I expect.

The leave campaign threw everything they had at it and still couldn't batter down people's courage to say 'no more'. Like 1588, 1803 and 1940, Britain stood alone but still drew it's line in the sand.

Brexit means anything but the European Commission deciding everything. The possibilities are endless.
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About 52% of people who voted. Only a third of the population. The other two-thirds probably not so into it. And of that third who did vote to leave, what percentage would abstain now, knowing what they know?
 
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SpurMeUp said:
About 52 of people who voted. Only a third of the population. The other two-thirds probably not so into it. And of that third who did vote, what percentage would abstain now, know what they know?
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Genuine question; when was the last general election that had such a high turnout in terms of percentage of eligible voters? At the time we were given the impression that voter turnout in the referendum was very high..
 
SpurMeUp said:
About 52 of people who voted. Only a third of the population. The other two-thirds probably not so into it. And of that third who did vote, what percentage would abstain now, know what they know?
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Apathetic/uninformed people generally vote for the status quo.

90% of remainers were probably 'soft remainers', while only 10% live in Islington and read the Guardian.

I'm still yet to meet one British person who positively likes the EU (rather than tolerates it).
 
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