Politics, politics, politics

[parklane1]

Except the article didn't exclusively back up my point - so I wasn't

We are going round in circles, you have your OPINION and none of that is fact, so that makes you not more right or wrong then anyone else.

 

[StephenH]

I think we are all forgetting that leaving or staying in the EU was/is not the problem.

It's all to do will change! The markets who call the finatial shots cannot abide change!

Whether you are for or against the EU matters not a jot. The problems all currently stem from change.

After time it will all calm down!

 

[milo]

I think we are all forgetting that leaving or staying in the EU was/is not the problem.

It's all to do will change! The markets who call the finatial shots cannot abide change!

Whether you are for or against the EU matters not a jot. The problems all currently stem from change.

After time it will all calm down!

The prospect of leaving the EU is the cause of the current turbulence in the markets. The reason that the pound dropped this week was that the mood music coming out of the Tory conference was towards a hard Brexit. A hard Brexit will hit the economy in the short term and the city particularly hard. I assume that is why Phillip Hammond was giving a more moderate and balanced view in interviews today.

 

[monkeybarry]

We are going round in circles, you have your OPINION and none of that is fact, so that makes you not more right or wrong then anyone else.

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(Dammit, the formatting gets lost when posted - that was a nice circle!)
Best we leave it there

 

[glorygloryeze]

"Rod Clarke
8:59 PM GMT+0100


It is already in the vanguard of countries that choose to present themselves as Museums of the Industrial Revolution. To give them credit, they do a fine job of that. Now set to be the World leader, since they no longer make anything that anyone wants to buy. British cars......owned by German, Indian and Japanese companies. British trains......owned and made by the French, Germans and Canadians. British electric utilities and nuclear power stations......owned by the French and Chinese. Sad little country off the coast of Europe, dreaming of "Punching Above its Weight" and "A Special Relationship" with the USA."


Nail


Head

A load of nonsense....a bit like saying anybody who voted remain or wants to be part of the EU is a toddler who is scared of life without daddy Juncker holding their hands..

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

"Rod Clarke
8:59 PM GMT+0100


It is already in the vanguard of countries that choose to present themselves as Museums of the Industrial Revolution. To give them credit, they do a fine job of that. Now set to be the World leader, since they no longer make anything that anyone wants to buy. British cars......owned by German, Indian and Japanese companies. British trains......owned and made by the French, Germans and Canadians. British electric utilities and nuclear power stations......owned by the French and Chinese. Sad little country off the coast of Europe, dreaming of "Punching Above its Weight" and "A Special Relationship" with the USA."


Nail


Head

The prejudice of the writer comes through loud and clear there.

 

[r-u-s-x01]

famines? do you mean in Africa or England.

I am not a conservative but they get so much sh*t and most of it is for having to clear up Labour's mess. I wish Labour had won in 2008 because it would have been the last we would have seen of those economic departsfor 50 years.

Can not believe the are people on here who think we should get into more debt. We will have even less wiggle room when the next big crash comes.

Fracking will help the country so is a good thing. Next they need to get the lazy sods who have not worked for twenty years, back into work and I am not talking about people with cancer or MS or proper illnesses but those lazy cnuts we all know who never work, that and get rid of the license fee and they will be onto a good start.

 

[r-u-s-x01]

famines? do you mean in Africa or England.

I am not a conservative but they get so much sh*t and most of it is for having to clear up Labour's mess. I wish Labour had won in 2008 because it would have been the last we would have seen of those economic departsfor 50 years.

Can not believe the are people on here who think we should get into more debt. We will have even less wiggle room when the next big crash comes.

Fracking will help the country so is a good thing. Next they need to get the lazy sods who have not worked for twenty years, back into work and I am not talking about people with cancer or MS or proper illnesses but those lazy cnuts we all know who never work, that and get rid of the license fee and they will be onto a good start.

fudge labour they are so brick at economy that they cause a global crash, departs

 

[scaramanga]

fudge labour they are so brick at economy that they cause a global crash, departs

Nobody said they did.

What they did do was spend all our money when times were good so that we had nothing to rely on when there was a crash. Mainly because they believed they had ended boom and bust. A bit like jumping and saying goes you've ended gravity.

 

[glorygloryeze]

fudge labour they are so brick at economy that they cause a global crash, departs

Labour cause global crashes? Any chance you could elaborate on that?

 

[milo]

Labour cause global crashes? Any chance you could elaborate on that?

I detected sarcasm

 

[glorygloryeze]

I detected sarcasm

Oh

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Do people realise that if they do not like what the conservatives do then they can vote for another party at the general election and that party can change things. This is the benefit of leaving the EU.

Frankly if the tories go to far against workers rights then I am guessing the Lib Dems because Labour are dead with Corbyn, the Lib Dems can come out with new policies and they will get more votes and MP's. That is why UKIP rose because they answered a need that was there for the public. The great thing in the future is we will get the country we want with laws the people of the country want.

Immigration was never the biggest issue for me, except for one side of the debate, we were not allowed to stop people from the EU with criminal records from entering the country. As if we do not have enough of our own criminals we have to let in others. Now all the east europeans I know are great and I am really close friends with a few from Latvia, but they aint criminals, drunks but not criminals. Yet the EU forced us to let them in. Now we can decide what is best for us. Great news.

 

[milo]

famines? do you mean in Africa or England.

I am not a conservative but they get so much sh*t and most of it is for having to clear up Labour's mess. I wish Labour had won in 2008 because it would have been the last we would have seen of those economic departsfor 50 years.

Can not believe the are people on here who think we should get into more debt. We will have even less wiggle room when the next big crash comes.

Fracking will help the country so is a good thing. Next they need to get the lazy sods who have not worked for twenty years, back into work and I am not talking about people with cancer or MS or proper illnesses but those lazy cnuts we all know who never work, that and get rid of the license fee and they will be onto a good start.

More borrowing is the policy of the current government now too.

As for Labour borrowing, it was not at high by historical standards until the banking crisis. If we had not borrowed to prop up the banks then we would probably be in an even worse position now.

 

[milo]

Do people realise that if they do not like what the conservatives do then they can vote for another party at the general election and that party can change things. This is the benefit of leaving the EU.

Frankly if the tories go to far against workers rights then I am guessing the Lib Dems because Labour are dead with Corbyn, the Lib Dems can come out with new policies and they will get more votes and MP's. That is why UKIP rose because they answered a need that was there for the public. The great thing in the future is we will get the country we want with laws the people of the country want.

Immigration was never the biggest issue for me, except for one side of the debate, we were not allowed to stop people from the EU with criminal records from entering the country. As if we do not have enough of our own criminals we have to let in others. Now all the east europeans I know are great and I am really close friends with a few from Latvia, but they aint criminals, drunks but not criminals. Yet the EU forced us to let them in. Now we can decide what is best for us. Great news.

Does that mean that we should not discuss politics between elections? And how much of what was said this week was in the Tory manifesto at the last election?

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Nobody said they did.

What they did do was spend all our money when times were good so that we had nothing to rely on when there was a crash. Mainly because they believed they had ended boom and bust. A bit like jumping and saying goes you've ended gravity.

Yep I am sure Brown said once or twice he was going to put an end to boom and bust ***

By spending to much in the boom years, over spending. When the inevitable downturn in the economic cycle came we were not well placed to weather it. Something anyone should be able to see whatever your political views. It is why in 2008 the new coalition had to borrow so much money to get us out of the sh*t hole they were left with. Hence the infamous note which said "sorry no money left" showing the true classless side of New Labour.

** I actually wrote what I thought was a brillant stage play called Boom and Bust, but had no takers on it. I guess theatreland likes musicals or harold pinter plays, no place for a truth teller such as me, mind you the wife said it could have been all the spelling mistakes and the fact that I wanted a drum banging constantly in the background. One day when I write my memoirs I might revisit the idea of doing a third draft on the play.

 

[milo]

Yep I am sure Brown said once or twice he was going to put an end to boom and bust ***

By spending to much in the boom years, over spending. When the inevitable downturn in the economic cycle came we were not well placed to weather it. Something anyone should be able to see whatever your political views. It is why in 2008 the new coalition had to borrow so much money to get us out of the sh*t hole they were left with. Hence the infamous note which said "sorry no money left" showing the true classless side of New Labour.

Borrowing was not high by historical standards up until the crash. The deficit was built up bailing out the banks and on quantitative easing trying to keep the economy afloat.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

More borrowing is the policy of the current government now too.

As for Labour borrowing, it was not at high by historical standards until the banking crisis. If we had not borrowed to prop up the banks then we would probably be in an even worse position now.

The government have to borrow still, something I do not agree with because frankly I am of the opinion we never had the full cuts the country needed or deserved. Pensioners got off very lightly and unfairly so. Who ever had won the last election would have had to borrow, but I bet if Labour had got in it would have been more.

The conservatives do not speak for me, because they are not making the cuts this country need. I posted a few pages back a link from the telegraph about a woman on £60,000 a year getting child tax credits. It is madness, I do not mind low wage earners, shop workers, factory workers etc getting top ups so they can afford to live, but someone on 60 grand a year.

I guess I have to much pride because I could never do it, something inside me would stop me from doing it, self esteem and pride and belief in how an able bodied person who can earn money should behave.

Wish Labour had won in 2008, the country would have been destroyed but maybe a few people would have woken up, also all these tw*ts paying £4.00 for a coffee at train stations could learn to make a brew and take a flask in the mornings.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Does that mean that we should not discuss politics between elections? And how much of what was said this week was in the Tory manifesto at the last election?

Of course we should discuss it between elections. I just find it very odd how all the lefties on here moan and cry when the tories come out with something and will not even properly evaluate Corbyn and his mad ideas. For me May and the conservatives have not gone far enough, I used to think it was because they had the Liberals holding them back, but frankly it is because they are just Tony Blair's new Labour.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Borrowing was not high by historical standards up until the crash. The deficit was built up bailing out the banks and on quantitative easing trying to keep the economy afloat.

It's quite amazing how the myth of Labour "wrecking the Economy" has been allowed to build up. The proponents of Neo-Liberal Economics have been laughing themselves silly to their bailout cash..