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fair play, only took her 18 days to realise they actually are all racists

Corbyn has had his gig over a year and still doesn't think he has an antisemitism problem
 
It makes her only the second shortest serving UKIP leader. The one who took over the last time Farage resigned only lasted a weekend.
 
SpurMeUp said:
...yes the UK is a service based economy, and there is no agreement for services. I forget the % but most of our trade and expertise is in the service sector.

It would seem odd, but at the moment, if you wish to buy a service from the US, while in Europe, can you? There must be something in place...
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Appx 78%

It's getting cheaper to buy it by the day and it's not really a volume industry.....so surely that will negatively affect GDP overtime- same product being sold but for a lower relative value
 
monkeybarry said:
Appx 78%

It's getting cheaper to buy it by the day and it's not really a volume industry.....so surely that will negatively affect GDP overtime- same product being sold but for a lower relative value
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Wow over two thirds of our economy. I'm not sure services are regulated fully? If a UK or French company uses a US advertising agency or law firm, is there a tariff to pay on-top of the invoice? How/ is this regulated? How would it work for things like websites that provide services?

I think the reason the Brexit campaign was so lacking in solid information was that even those in power, and analysts, are only just getting up to speed with the detail and complexity of all of this. Global trade, international laws...all areas we've simply let the EU oversee. In a global world international trade is more vital and exciting than ever before.

Despite all the concerns, it is exciting to shake up the status quo, there is potential in change. If May can somehow pull off access to the single market, then Brexit can be a success. Hopefully we retain some element of free movement too. Though this looks unlikely at present.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
Wow over two thirds of our economy. I'm not sure services are regulated fully? If a UK or French company uses a US advertising agency or law firm, is there a tariff to pay on-top of the invoice? How/ is this regulated? How would it work for things like websites that provide services?

I think the reason the Brexit campaign was so lacking in solid information was that even those in power, and analysts, are only just getting up to speed with the detail and complexity of all of this. Global trade, international laws...all areas we've simply let the EU oversee. In a global world international trade is more vital and exciting than ever before.

Despite all the concerns, it is exciting to shake up the status quo, there is potential in change. If May can somehow pull off access to the single market, then Brexit can be a success. Hopefully we retain some element of free movement too. Though this looks unlikely at present.
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Gambling is exciting, yes........the house always wins
 
monkeybarry said:
Gambling is exciting, yes........the house always wins
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Change is different from gambling but I take your point. Not that the EU was static. It is a very young union that is still finding its feet.

Though I believe Brexit to be irrational - a public school boy fantasy of bygone imperial Britannia sold to the masses with an anti-immigration carrot - the issues around free trade are interesting. At the moment, the UK is confined by agreement from a large group of countries on trade deals. A bit like trying to go on holiday with a big group of people - it takes ages to decide where to go and everyone wants something else. Of course the large trade group also benefits the UK massively - its sheer size allows preferential deals with other nations and blocks. But with Brexit there should be a greater agility to trade in ways that suit the UK. We simply don't know how it will shake down but there is something there...

My feeling is that the negatives of Brexit outweigh the positives. Most of our trade is with the EU. Not with the US, China etc. but with Europe....and we are telling them to do one. Smart? No of course not! How we can tell the the EU we want out, but also want in with trade is beyond me. No one within the government seems to see the ridiculous irony of it.

We also had political strength as part of Europe. The EU formed out of the ashes of the most devastating of wars, and it has immense strength to unify nations and stand up for what is just. The EU carries weight that the UK simply does not. And we're ditching it. I could go on. But the point was, the issues are not all black and white. With change comes opportunity, especially to be more agile than a large block is.

I think there are lots of Tory's, including the PM, who are crapping themselves because they're taking the country into what they appreciate are uncharted and dangerous waters. Some are imploring, be brave, be a proud British conqueror like we were taught in private school :rolleyes: A colonial-like vision of our great country etc. Yet in the back of their minds they know that this is semi-fantasy. The UK is no longer imperial. We're a nation of 60m odd people, not an empire, and if trade doesn't work out as they would like, Brexit could move the UK to the periphery and accelerate the UKs demise as a key global nation (a trend that will occur regardless as the East rises). Being out of the EU weakens us politically with no influence on Europe and no access to Europe for the likes of the US, Japan etc. and their companies who chose the UK as their access point to the EU. But with change come opportunity. Stasis can lead to stagnation.
 
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Change is different from gambling but I take your point. Not that the EU was static. It is a very young union that is still finding its feet.

Though I believe Brexit to be irrational - a public school boy fantasy of bygone imperial Britannia sold to the masses with an anti-immigration carrot - the issues around free trade are interesting. At the moment, the UK is confined by agreement from a large group of countries on trade deals. A bit like trying to go on holiday with a big group of people - it takes ages to decide where to go and everyone wants something else. Of course the large trade group also benefits the UK massively - its sheer size allows preferential deals with other nations and blocks. But with Brexit there should be a greater agility to trade in ways that suit the UK. We simply don't know how it will shake down but there is something there...

My feeling is that the negatives of Brexit outweigh the positives. Most of our trade is with the EU. Not with the US, China etc. but with Europe....and we are telling them to do one. Smart? No of course not! How we can tell the the EU we want out, but also want in with trade is beyond me. No one within the government seems to see the ridiculous irony of it.

We also had political strength as part of Europe. The EU formed out of the ashes of the most devastating of wars, and it has immense strength to unify nations and stand up for what is just. The EU carries weight that the UK simply does not. And we're ditching it. I could go on. But the point was, the issues are not all black and white. With change comes opportunity, especially to be more agile than a large block is.

I think there are lots of Tory's who are crapping themselves tbh, because they've taken the country into what they appreciate are uncharted and dangerous waters. Some are imploring, be brave, be a proud British conqueror like we were taught in private school :rolleyes: A colonial-like vision of our great country etc. Yet in the back of their minds they know that this is semi-fantasy. The UK is no longer imperial. We're a nation of 60m odd people, not an empire, and if trade doesn't work out as they would like, Brexit could move the UK to the periphery and accelerate the UKs demise as a key global nation (a trend that will occur regardless as the East rises). Being out of the EU weakens us politically with no influence on Europe and no access to Europe for the likes of the US, Japan etc. and their companies who chose the UK as their access point to the EU. But with change come opportunity. Stasis can lead to stagnation.
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I agree with most of that. The lack of detailed information in decision making makes it a gamble rather than a business decision for me.

There is a slight irony that the last two elections actually mean the Tories will have to act as politicians and have nowhere to hide - don't think they were expecting either to happen.
Sadly the pocket of people that didn't vote Tory or Exit will have to experience it - but hopefully they'll end up being the victims of their own lust for power and destroy the party in 7-10 years.

There certainly are opportunities (there has to be), but I agree they are a worse set overall than a vote to stay.

Just need to decide which part of Europe to move to!
 
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i'm not happy with the shift in tory thinking, say what you like about Cameron but his policies put the economy front and centre, May is chasing the cheap votes, and they are as cheap as you can get

we are in trouble
 
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