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This will go back and forward as I maintain the leave campaign gave opinions not promises because who in the leave campaign had the power to make promises?

I think it was pretty much the opinion of both sets of voters before the vote that it was a leap made of faith and opinion rather than promises.
 
Grays_1890 said:
This will go back and forward as I maintain the leave campaign gave opinions not promises because who in the leave campaign had the power to make promises?

I think it was pretty much the opinion of both sets of voters before the vote that it was a leap made of faith and opinion rather than promises.
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I meant how do you think we should go forward after the result? How do we find a solution that most meets voters expectations, minimises a negative impact on the economy and is acceptable to the other EU states?
 
monkeybarry said:
Because Cameron thought it was easy votes and would shut up the UKIP'ers and get rid of duck face
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I don't think that he ever thought that he would have to hold it when he made the pledge. I think that it was a short term tactic to try and stop further Tory defections to UKIP and to try and shore up their eurosceptic vote. At that point, I think that he was still expecting a hung parliament and that it could be ditched in coalition negotiations.
 
milo said:
I meant how do you think we should go forward after the result? How do we find a solution that most meets voters expectations, minimises a negative impact on the economy and is acceptable to the other EU states?
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Thats the job of the elected PM
 
parklane1 said:
Obviously i can not speak for all the 17 million voters who voted to leave, however i and others i know who did vote to leave would have no problem with that. What our concern is/was the never ending movement of people coming here without proper checks and the effect it was having on our health service, schools etc.
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But you're happy to speak for all remainers, branding them all bad losers, whingers and claiming they all want a re-vote.
 
Hotshot-Tottenham said:
That really is the perfect summary.

It's so stark, plain clear that I don't really know how his points can even be in question, let alone denied.
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We've also had to listen to people complaining about the 1975 referendum for 41 years, so I think that it is a bit fanciful suggesting that those who think that we got the 2016 one wrong should shut up after a couple of weeks.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Hahaha abandoned..........Cameron abandoned ship and he was/still is PM, was until resigning the most powerful man in the country and was the man that lit the torch paper to this whole thing.
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Cameron fudged up. Absolutely. But why are you so shy acknowledging the failings on your side of the debate? You seem to have spent the whole debate ignoring or refusing to answer questions. To the point now, that you will not even say what you would like to happen next. Why go into battle, if you do not have a plan for the peace?
 
I am not shy in acknowledging anything, I stick by what I say.

Cameron offered up the referendum and was PM of the party that if losing would and still has to lead the change. It wasn't for Farage for example to do anymore than just lobby for votes, the same as you would not expect Beckham to take responsibility for the remain fall out, extreme example but I am making a point.

Had leave as is been successful it was going to be the biggest decision in our political history in years but the demand of "what now today" when there is so much to still achieve just seems like the last straw of hope to be clung on to by remain. Lets not forget that Cameron resigning has basically ground any movement to a halt anyway regardless and lets not forget he pledged to help with any transition moving forward best he could but would not lead the ship.

So you are asking the wrong people on what next, I voted for change and I will trust the political system to now deliver that change.....

Had Cameron struck the kind of deal in the last negotiation he promised I would have voted remain .
 
Grays_1890 said:
I am not shy in acknowledging anything, I stick by what I say.

Cameron offered up the referendum and was PM of the party that if losing would and still has to lead the change. It wasn't for Farage for example to do anymore than just lobby for votes, the same as you would not expect Beckham to take responsibility for the remain fall out, extreme example but I am making a point.

Had leave as is been successful it was going to be the biggest decision in our political history in years but the demand of "what now today" when there is so much to still achieve just seems like the last straw to be clung on to by remain. Lets not forget that Cameron resigning has basically ground any movement to a halt anyway regardless and lets not forget he pledged to help with any transition moving forward best he could but would not lead the ship.

So you are asking the wrong people on what next, I voted for change and I will trust the political system to now deliver that change.....

Had Cameron struck the kind of deal in the last negotiation he promised I would have voted remain .
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So you would be happy with a Norway type deal? It does mean that we have left the EU but other than not getting a vote on EU laws, everything else remains unchanged.
 
Or what if our political system decided that they were committed to following through the referendum decision but would delay doing so until it was in the country's economic interest?
 
I feel happy that we have left the EU based on the threatening language and bully boy attitude shown by Jean-Claude Juncker since the vote. Being in the EU was never compulsory yet their reaction and threats just endorse what a stinking mafia the place was. The whole thing just sounds like a legalized protection racket.

I think its a great thing that we can explore what our true potential is in 2016 on wards as a nation outside the EU, this isn't 1945
 
Hotshot-Tottenham said:
But you're happy to speak for all remainers, branding them all bad losers, whingers and claiming they all want a re-vote.
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Not all of them no and if you had read all my posts you would have known that. The ones who are the whingers, bad losers are those who were crying about having another ref in the hours after the result came through.
 
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