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milo said:
We were never going to be able to get a deal that contravened the four freedoms. The whole point of the single market is that there is a level playing field between the member states and they are not able to undercut each other. I do think that he could have got a better deal though if he had not tried to get it at a time when Europe was preoccupied with the Syrian refugee crisis and Russian aggression.

I think that presentationally it was a mistake for Cameron going to the EU pretending that he could back either side in the subsequent referendum. Leave supporters were never going to believe that this was the case and it gave him insufficient time to make the case for the benefits of the EU.
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But Cameron made a song and dance out of the fact that IF we did not get a better deal he would take us out of the EU. Full of flimflam all the way.
 
parklane1 said:
But Cameron made a song and dance out of the fact that IF we did not get a better deal he would take us out of the EU. Full of hogwash all the way.
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I agree that was a mistake. I think that he would have been better being upfront about why he wanted to negotiate a deal that would keep us in the EU, explaining what the benefits of membership of the EU were and what compromises that entailed. Within that, there was scope for getting further concessions, if we had tried to negotiate at a time that was better for the rest of Europe. That probably would have seen the referendum taking place in 2018/19 which I recognise might have been difficult for internal Tory discipline but I think that it would have been a smarter tactic.
 
milo said:
This is worth reading on whether Corbyn requires nominations to be on the ballot

http://jackofkent.com/2016/07/how-corbyn-could-be-left-off-the-ballot-and-why-he-shouldnt-be/

There has been quite a lot of disagreement between the legal bloggers on this and some decent debate. If you read through David Allen Green's Twitter feed you will pick up on some of it. If I find a decent blog post on a different view, I will share it.
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This article is by a barrister who is not a supporter of Corbyn's leadership. I quote the relevant part of the rules (that he explains at length in the article) below.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-be-used-keep-jeremy-corbyn-leadership-ballot

ii. Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the Commons members of the PLP. Nominations not attaining this threshold shall be null and void.
 
And not wishing to sound like Jonathan Pie, but seroiusly

Angela Eagle a leader?

LMAO

Fucck off with that bolllax!
 
Un-elected head of state (queenie)

Un-elected House of Lords

A PM not voted on by the general electorate (technically we don't vote for PMs anyway, but in reality that's what happens).

Then we could end up with a 'Brexit' deal a la Norway that almost nobody, remainer or leaver, voted for via the referendum.

Still, at least we took back control.
 
the dza said:
Un-elected head of state (queenie)

Un-elected House of Lords

A PM not voted on by the general electorate (technically we don't vote for PMs anyway, but in reality that's what happens).

Then we could end up with a 'Brexit' deal a la Norway that almost nobody, remainer or leaver, voted for via the referendum.

Still, at least we took back control.
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this is going to get thrown around all over the place, Farron is already demanding a general, but as you point out we don't vote for a PM anyway, we vote for a party
 
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