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The vote itself is done and clear, obviously. But the outcome - the implementation - is not. As we are today, we are still in the EU. Article 50 has not been activated. The UK doesn't have a Brexit leader, and most politicians think EU integration is best for the UK. How do MPs implement the vote?

People have been promised all good things without any drawbacks - in other words an impossibility. How do MPs and the new government, whoever they are, deliver?

All very well saying "its done", nothing is done. We're still where we were 2 days ago. If Boris doesn't want the job - can see why he wouldn't - who will take this poison chalice to deliver the impossible?

The vote is done, the outcome is not. Get the implementation wrong, the banks will leave, trade will reduce etc etc. It is far from "done" and we enter a very complex and demanding situation without easy solutions. A government has to deliver less immigration, and try not to fuk the economy. No easy task and no one knows what it will look like exactly. Its not being defeatist or a sore loser to say these are concerning times.
 
Canada, US, France all want to get deals with UK, China already been on the phone also.

Anyone thinking the door on Europe is going to be shut as their biggest customer (as shown with the BMW and Mercedes examples) needs to stop reading scary bedtime stories
 
SpurMeUp said:
People have been promised all good things without any drawbacks.
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No one promised anything because it was a cross party vote, the only person in a place to make promises was Cameron. No one has to implement or decide on a promise, they just have to steer the government into a non EU situation and deal with what comes as a result of that. What ever pros can be gained and what ever problems have to be overcome will be a result of being the PM at the time.

But as for promises being actioned, none need to be
 
Grays_1890 said:
No one promised anything because it was a cross party vote, the only person in a place to make promises was Cameron. No one has to implement or decide on a promise, they just have to steer the government into a non EU situation and deal with what comes as a result of that. What ever pros can be gained and what ever problems have to be overcome will be a result of being the PM at the time.

But as for promises being actioned, none need to be
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So you are the PM and you have to deliver a scenario that you know means the city moves out the UK, that will see car factories depart the UK etc. you just simply deliver "out the EU" do you regardless? Its not as simple as you maintain.

People were not promised anything! You are kidding aren't you? They were told it wouldn't effect trade and the economy in fact we'd have 350m + to spend, we'd get control of immigration, and have sovereignty. Or am I missing something?

The reason I will sign that petition, is this is far from "done" and the UK is in a perilous position at the moment. Brexit if handled badly could reduce the UK, set it back economically, there is no doubt, and I don't think anyone would disagree with that statement.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Canada, US, France all want to get deals with UK, China already been on the phone also.

Anyone thinking the door on Europe is going to be shut as their biggest customer (as shown with the BMW and Mercedes examples) needs to stop reading scary bedtime stories
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You working on reception? Who did you direct the calls to?
 
SpurMeUp said:
So you are the PM and you have to deliver a scenario that you know means the city moves out the UK, that will see car factories depart the UK etc.
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Why would anyone do that?

OK, maybe Corbyn would. He seems to hate our country and want to destroy it from within, but why would any serious politician?
 
scaramanga said:
Why would anyone do that?

OK, maybe Corbyn would. He seems to hate our country and want to destroy it from within, but why would any serious politician?
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And that is exactly my point. Why would a PM deliver out the EU, without regard to the interests of the country? @Grays_1890 that is what he is suggesting.

MPs likewise will have to vote on Brexit changes. If they also believe actions are in the interests of the UK (but not Brexit) which course do they follow?

Far from simple.
 
SpurMeUp said:
So you are the PM and you have to deliver a scenario that you know means the city moves out the UK, that will see car factories depart the UK etc. you just simply deliver "out the EU" do you regardless? Its not as simple as you maintain.

I never said it would be easy I am saying that's the job of a PM, same as it is to lead a country into, through and out of war, its not easy but that's why MPs get into the game, its what they live for, its their passion.

People were not promised anything! You are kidding aren't you? They were told it wouldn't effect trade and the economy in fact we'd have 350m + to spend, we'd get control of immigration, and have sovereignty. Or am I missing something?

Who made the promises, were they promises or opinion? Lets be grown ups for a second, the only person in a position to make any promises in the debate was Cameron, because he outside the debate is the PM of this country. Any statements or in your words promises made by ANYONE outside the government should have been taken as they were and on the authority of who said them.

The reason I will sign that petition, is this is far from "done" and the UK is in a perilous position at the moment. Brexit if handled badly could reduce the UK, set it back economically, there is no doubt, and I don't think anyone would disagree with that statement.

You can sign anything you like but democracy is what it is and it has spoken. You don't have to like it but in the nicest way possible you do have to lump it, just as I would have if the vote was remain
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