Politics, politics, politics

[parklane1]

The EU will remain intact as long as it suits Germany and France, once it no longer works for them they will pull the plug.

The EU is a busted flush, there is already movements in Holland, Italy, France and others who want the same thing as we have just gone through. Over the next decade or so there will be many who will decide that they have had enough.

 

[parklane1]

100%. It's ludicrous to motion for that and it's embarrassing to see a petition for a re-vote reach over one million signatures.

Sad bad losers its pathetic.

 

[Rorschach]

The EU will remain intact as long as it suits Germany and France, once it no longer works for them they will pull the plug.

It certainly will last longer than Great Britain by the looks of things. Independence day may ultimately end up as Englands independence.

The EU will move swiftly and decisively to oust Britain and will not be gentle about it. They need to show that leaving has consequences in an effort to stave off an exodus from the Union.

 

[Baleforce]

The equivalent in football terms would be demanding a rematch because you only lost 1-0 to a 90th minute winner and dominated the game. IN the end the only thing that matters is the goal and result. Requesting a rematch at all is nothing but bitterness and petulance.

indeed

however, let's say the hypothetical football match is a cup final, the result is in, team A have won, the trophy is theirs and they will play continental football next season

the problem for the fans of team B though, is that they are going to get blamed for the behaviour of team A's fans for a little while

 

[Baleforce]

Problem with that is we might end up holding a referendum each year and after a decade still be very split. We can't hold a referendum each year because 60% wasn't met. It's a nice idea and probably more democratic but in practice it wouldn't work.

Also if 9 out of 10 times leave was to win by a handful of percentage points it would be undemocratic to say that the 1 out 10 occurrence of a remain vote of over 60% is the only one that matters.

like I say, I'm against them generally

but if you are going to use them then make sure you get a sweeping result, a (high) minimum turn out should be required as well, if we do go to the trouble of giving the people a voice the least they can do is use it

 

[scaramanga]

That's pretty much how it is now. There probably is too much red tape, but it doesn't really affect us; not half as much as its bitched about.

There's far more than you think. I listed a fair few regulations that have all been poorly implemented and in which our government had been entirely ignored in the development. Add to that Cameron coming home empty handed showing how the EU have no interest in listening to us and it's only ever going to get worse.

Regarding the banks and financial institutions, of course they are not going to come out and say we're considering moving our operations. It would lead to more panic and do no one good. Moreover, we're not out the EU, and it is far from clear what our relationship will look like with the EU. So of course there are few quotes saying they'll up roots. What the article shows is that banks are not ruling it out and are keeping their options open. Behind the scenes, they will be making contingencies.

They're always making contingencies, they're fools if not.

At least once a month I calculate the risk, cost and payback of closing one of our factories. We have no plans whatsoever to sell it, we're just planning for the worst case.

The beauty of money is its easy to measure. If you make more working from Germany, it will happen. Its cold mathematics.

There's more to it that just the trade barriers to take into account. There's a huge advantage to being based somewhere like the City where all the other financiers and support services are based. Not to mention the language.

The EU has been pushing for Robin Hood taxes and killing bonuses for years. It would take a lot more than a small cost saving to negate the future risk of increased costs like that. Most banks can be fairly sure that the UK government will offer friendly terms for some time yet.

 

[glasgowspur]

It certainly will last longer than Great Britain by the looks of things. Independence day may ultimately end up as Englands independence.

The EU will move swiftly and decisively to oust Britain and will not be gentle about it. They need to show that leaving has consequences in an effort to stave off an exodus from the Union.

If so only because the politicians will have it that way, ask the man in the street and it will be banished. There is no will for the EU outside of politics. It's nothing more than a ego fuelled gravy train of epic proportions.

 

[scaramanga]

Hey, Scara is the personification of modern Britain, he claimed to vote to stay, but his commentary is all over the place. Just what does he stand for?

Surely it's not beyond your comprehension that I believe in leaving because it fits my beliefs but voted for staying because it benefits my wallet.

My morals aren't driven by my pocket, they're based on what I believe is right.

 

[parklane1]

some people might well be happy with all that, their choice their vote right?

I agree that everyone had a choice and voted with their choice, however there are some ( mostly on the remain side) who can not accept just that and resort to attacks ( manipulated, self harming, narrow minded, turkeys) you words not mine.

And now we have the farce of some of these folks ( who lost the vote) asking for another chance. As a famous Spurs fan once said " you could not make it up", talk about childish and pathetic. ( by the way i am not saying you are one of those who are asking for another vote as i know you are neither of those).

 

[Baleforce]

I agree that everyone had a choice and voted with their choice, however there are some ( mostly on the remain side) who can not accept just that and resort to attacks ( manipulated, self harming, narrow minded, turkeys) you words not mine.

And now we have the farce of some of these folks ( who lost the vote) asking for another chance. As a famous Spurs fan once said " you could not make it up", talk about childish and pathetic. ( by the way i am not saying you are one of those who are asking for another vote as i know you are neither of those).

turkeys - idiom

 

[glasgowspur]

I agree that everyone had a choice and voted with their choice, however there are some ( mostly on the remain side) who can not accept just that and resort to attacks ( manipulated, self harming, narrow minded, turkeys) you words not mine.

And now we have the farce of some of these folks ( who lost the vote) asking for another chance. As a famous Spurs fan once said " you could not make it up", talk about childish and pathetic. ( by the way i am not saying you are one of those who are asking for another vote as i know you are neither of those).

I agree that the vote is done and the result should stand. Could be way off here but I would be willing to bet that those calling for the re run are the young who have been that used to getting everything there own way. They have yet to learn the world doesn't work like that.

 

[parklane1]

I agree that the vote is done and the result should stand. Could be way off here but I would be willing to bet that those calling for the re run are the young who have been that used to getting everything there own way. They have yet to learn the world doesn't work like that.

You are not wrong, i want it and i want it now and if i do not i will " scream and scream"

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

It certainly will last longer than Great Britain by the looks of things. Independence day may ultimately end up as Englands independence.

The EU will move swiftly and decisively to oust Britain and will not be gentle about it. They need to show that leaving has consequences in an effort to stave off an exodus from the Union.

That's what you've got to love about this country, the self loathing. If Scotland do have another referendum they will not necessarily vote to leave the United Kingdom just because they voted to stay in the EU.

 

[Grays_1890]

In percentage terms it was close, but good luck trying to make 1.2m people seem a small number

 

[Grays_1890]

pretty big mistake by the way, they printed it on the side of a bus

Another bit of vague justification

It said we send the EU £350 million a week

Lets fund our NHS instead

It did not say "lets spend the £350 million on the NHS"

FFS some of the remain post match bitching is making me realise we made a better choice every hour. I will say it again, remains biggest argument was "its not perfect, but come on leavers, lets work hard and stick to it and make the EU work" now the boots on the other foot and its pure attack. So in theory it was more a case of "Keep your mouth shut and tow the line and lets stick to the EU.

Some gentleman this morning actually summed it up perfectly. The UK is the most culturally open and tolerant country in the world and this is not a vote for isolation is a vote that makes the UK Global.

I am more ashamed of the general reaction from stay and their "my vote and view is stronger and more valid than yours" its just utter snobbery. My message to the youth vote of remain would be this - Work hard and contribute efforts to make a bright future for the UK

 

[Baleforce]

Another bit of vague justification

It said we send the EU £350 million a week

Lets fund our NHS instead

It did not say "lets spend the £350 million on the NHS"

FFS some of the remain post match bitching is making me realise we made a better choice every hour. I will say it again, remains biggest argument was "its not perfect, but come on leavers, lets work hard and stick to it and make the EU work" now the boots on the other foot and its pure attack. So in theory it was more a case of "Keep your mouth shut and tow the line and lets stick to the EU.

Some gentleman this morning actually summed it up perfectly. The UK is the most culturally open and tolerant country in the world and this is not a vote for isolation is a vote that makes the UK Global.

I am more ashamed of the general reaction from stay and their "my vote and view is stronger and more valid than yours" its just utter snobbery. My message to the youth vote of remain would be this - Work hard and contribute efforts to make a bright future for the UK

 

[Grays_1890]

"lets" not "If we win we will" its not a pledge its a statement, because LEAVE is not a political party, people are so stupid they don't get that. So this is picking holes. This was not a general election and you know that.

On the flip If this statement was so misguided then why did the remain not counter it stronger?

What about Cameron being caught three times saying we are worthwhile being OUTSIDE the EU? Or being caught saying he would support Turkey coming into the EU and Im not interested if the rest of the EU would vote the same way I am interested in the fact the PM, the man with actual power was caught lying.

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

"lets" not "If we win we will" its not a pledge its a statement, because LEAVE is not a political party, people are so stupid they don't get that. So this is picking holes. This was not a general election and you know that.

On the flip If this statement was so misguided then why did the remain not counter it stronger?

What about Cameron being caught three times saying we are worthwhile being OUTSIDE the EU? Or being caught saying he would support Turkey coming into the EU and Im not interested if the rest of the EU would vote the same way I am interested in the fact the PM, the man with actual power was caught lying.

Turkey would have to compulsorily fulfil the remaining 29 chapters before allowed entry to the EU. So far they have completed exactly one.

They are years away from entry so any leader can say what they want, it's irrelevant because that leader wouldn't be in charge if and when Turkey fulfil their obligations.

That argument is a red herring.

 

[Grays_1890]

Again the if they would get in is not the point, the point is our leader backed the idea and not in a passing conversation way, he was in Turkey saying he would stand side by side so they were inside the tent not out.

 

[scaramanga]

Turkey would have to compulsorily fulfil the remaining 29 chapters before allowed entry to the EU. So far they have completed exactly one.

They are years away from entry so any leader can say what they want, it's irrelevant because that leader wouldn't be in charge if and when Turkey fulfil their obligations.

That argument is a red herring.

How often do rules count when something is politically expedient in the EU?