LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
No it has been clear since the Israeli government ran on a manifesto for River to the sea and one state for Israel. 2 state solution has never been embraced by Hamas or Zionists.
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No it has been clear since the Israeli government ran on a manifesto for River to the sea and one state for Israel. 2 state solution has never been embraced by Hamas or Zionists.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Palestine has not been recognised as a state due to the west not allowing it.
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
Posted it after the Hamas attacks, but need to post it again. We need more Martin Luther Kings in this world:
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SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
What is funny/frustrating/worrying/fascinating is over half a century later, supposedly post Cold War, similar patterns persist. Whether with interventions and competition with Russia in Syria, Afghanistan or Ukraine.
The world changes but nothing changes.
Silly McSilly Face
Tony Parks
It is if people open their minds and get to a point (which we did with Northern Ireland) that compromise is better than having a load of people die every year.....
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
The issue is that Palestinians are seen as less by Israel supporters. Not people to them.
Of course some people were, you can't just leave the odd dwelling here and there and circle a country's boundary around it.
But many of the people there were nomadic and so that area was never their home, just a place they travelled to and through. With all the advancements brought to the area by Israel, there's no longer a need to be nomadic.
That doesn't mean at one point it wasn't possible. There was a small window during discussions with the PLO, before Hamas took over, when it even seemed probable.
But Hamas are there to stay and, as you say, they won't allow a 2 state solution so we need to find an alternative.
Therefore it's not a state.
You mean if the side with no need to give up anything gives up everything to the terrorists, we can have peace?
I'd like to think the Israelis have learned from our mistakes.
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
When genetically and geographically the two people could not be closer. That a lot of Israelis hate this connection, they view Palestinians as ‘other’ and somehow less than them is one root of the problem.
If you look at hunter gatherer societies, in the jungles of Borneo (anywhere) tribes normally have an enemy over the next hill. As we know we’re no different to gooners ostensibly, apart from their lack of class.
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Lost Mango
Neil Ruddock
You do understand that some people want to be nomadic? That it works for how they want to live? And seasonal migrations doesn't not make it their 'home'.
Lost Mango
Neil Ruddock
But the vast majority of Palestinains do support a 2 state solution so you work on that and side-line ('eliminate') Hamas.
Failing that a one state solution with equal demographic rights for all citizens would be fair, right? Or only after the Palestinians are cleared out of the way??
Lost Mango
Neil Ruddock
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Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Even if there innocent?
Craig_J
Andy Sinton
IF the police were about to offer someone a job today and saw that person had accusations against their name they would not be hired.
Innocence would not matter. Any kind of caution would set alarm bells ringing.
For any job private companies will likely be searching your social media profiles before hiring you.
Anything unsavoury is fair grounds for them to withdraw a job offer - or not offer one.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Yeah sure if the is an outstanding allegation but what if the were allegations that had been disproven. It seems like to be going against the presumption of innocent till proven guilty.
I'm just an old man who does not understand the world.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
So would you allow someone to teach your child who had a pending accusation? No.
I can't fathom why the standards would be different for police.
I can't fathom why the standards would be different for police.
No, I couldn't possibly understand that wish - it's ridiculous.
But anyway, nobody is stopping them from travelling through Israel.
Silly McSilly Face
Tony Parks
The court case didn't relate to a pending accusation. It related to whether the Met were legally able to withdraw vetting clearance of an officer due to two accusations of *struggle cuddle* that had been fully investigated and in both cases the investigation conclusion was "no case to answer". The Met were asked by the court if there was any evidence not subject of the original investigations that would lend any weight to the accusations. They couldn't offer any. The court found (unsurprisingly) that their decision to withdraw vetting clearance of the officer was unlawful.