ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
Ironically as soon as we get to 38pts we will probably have quite a few league games to give Gray free reign to learn on the job.
Not that I think he'd let us down anyway.
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Pape Matar Sarr
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Not that I think he'd let us down anyway.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I do agree that we need upgrades is other posistions for sure but again imo a DM is one of the most important posistions in any side, we do need upgrading in others as you say but our CM is wide open and that is making our defenders put under pressure all the time. I guess Stop! Hammer time but IF i was manager a proper DM would be top of my wish list. I guess we will have to hope and pray we get a few bodys in before next season kiks off. COYS
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
But really disagreeing with you, but I think a proper dribbly creative winger would make about as much of a difference personally.
Not necessarily because that is more important than a DM, but because Bissouma and Bentancur are fine as DMs. But without Odobert (and Moore) the closest thing we have to a dribbly creative winger is probably... Werner?
It's been a profile we've been without almost all season, not even having a fine/decent option most games.
Muttley
Neil Ruddock
Are there so many of them around though? I would have to think deeply how we would find a 21-25 year old within our budget who can come in and own that position. I hear Richard Rio being mentioned. Not even sure who else we're linked with.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I would love a proper dribbly winger [ Waddle was one of my favourite players back in the day] so i do agree it would make us a far stronger team. But i still think we need better that Biss and i hope we replace him in the summer, Bents i love and we really have missed him and as you say he could do the DM job but i think he would be better as a floater in our M/F. I guess only time will tell what summer brings.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Now that is a difficult question as for me its a specialist posistion and they are like gold dust to find because imo it not only takes a special talent but they are hard to find. But i really believe that if we go into next season having to play the likes of Biss, Sarr there we will have the same problems with our defenders being over run.
Muttley
Neil Ruddock
The other dynamic here is the availability and freshness of the midfield over a season.
Season 1 (no UEFA): AFCON, injuries, suspension and even Malaria impacting our ability to have Sarr, Biss and Bents on rotation. Hoj plugged some gaps.
Season 2 (UEFA) : Trio of Biss, Bents, Sarr intact, Hoj gone (and Skipp) and incoming Gray, Bergval. Crazy season for Bents.
Season 3 (no UEFA?): Quintet of Bents, Sarr, Gray, Bergval and newbie, Biss gone? Access to Devine, Abbott, Hall etc
I think it swings the other direction. We will be so well stocked with one single churn that we may see players massively under utilised. We'd definitely be in a great position to use 5 or 6 midfielders every game including subs.
Bullet
Chris Jones
It's a great point. We don't know how highly rated Devine, Donley, Abott etc are, so it is hard for us to know what recruitment we need. Hopefully Devine and Donley are deemed ready to contribute, so they take 2 proper spots in the squad (i.e. used fairly regularly, not as a very last resort when everyone else is dead).
I'm surprised Tyrese Hall hasn't really stepped up this year, not sure what is going on with him but I expected either a loan or a lot of bench appearances with a real starring role in the PL2. Something is up there.
Muttley
Neil Ruddock
I think this is why some of us are worried about no UEFA football. Our path was plotted so a bunch were loaned out this season and we had the club trained type issues. Next season though, we would have had great B-listers in Phillips, Devine, Keeley etc. That squad depth would have started to kick in, By the time we get to the season after we'd be seeing all the club trained turn 21 and take the slots, hopefully for a CL campaign. We can still achieve it, but we've made it so much harder to keep everyone happy. That is of course assuming injuries normalise.
As for Hall, I think he has got about 15 games under his belt this season. Second half will probably see him out on loan. We've never really had a midfield injury crisis though. It's been the other positions. I know Olusesi seems to have been favoured but I thought I recalled him down the right wing for the U21s last season.
thfcsteff
Vic Buckingham
Hall recently got injured I believe.
I think several of the players we think/hope will be part of the side and squad are going to end up being sold. I'd be very surprised if either Devine or Donley stay with the squad and contribute next season. Strange, as I think both are really good, but obviously I don't see them every day. I also think we'll end up selling Phillips TBH. Keely's effectively seen his path blocked by Kinsky unless we are going to sell Vic (which I sincerely doubt, I mean, that'd be a joke given Kinsky's signing has actually given us some ease at keeper for once). I like the look of Hall on the ball but in terms of his overll dynamism, I'm not sure he's going to be with us for a career. Have to say I really rate Abbott...
I think several of the players we think/hope will be part of the side and squad are going to end up being sold. I'd be very surprised if either Devine or Donley stay with the squad and contribute next season. Strange, as I think both are really good, but obviously I don't see them every day. I also think we'll end up selling Phillips TBH. Keely's effectively seen his path blocked by Kinsky unless we are going to sell Vic (which I sincerely doubt, I mean, that'd be a joke given Kinsky's signing has actually given us some ease at keeper for once). I like the look of Hall on the ball but in terms of his overll dynamism, I'm not sure he's going to be with us for a career. Have to say I really rate Abbott...
Finney Is Back
Colin Calderwood
I think Donley, Keeley and Devine will all be loaned out. They are all still very young and all would benefit far more from playing regularly at Championship or even league 1 level than they would getting very few minutes for Spurs. Phillips I think is 50/50. He probably now has enough experience at a reasonable level to take a back-up role at Spurs but his development would probably be better served by playing another season of first team football in the Championship.
I think in some cases with our young players we have taken a long term view that is perhaps slightly detrimental to our fortunes right now but better for the long term future of the players and, hopefully, ourselves when we get the benefit in years to come.
Of course the likes of Donley and Devine and even Abbot could've played for us in the Europa league with us having lots of injuries. However, they have all done way more developing going away and playing every week. The same would be true next season even if we somehow end up in European competition again IMO.
Bedfordspurs
Terry Naylor
Devine had championship loans last season
Bullet
Chris Jones
He played Jan 10th and 18th and I'm watching him play right now on Spurs Play vs Dinamo Zagreb, currently winning 2-1. Dinamo got the luckiest oggy ever, but Spurs have penned them back the whole game and eventually got their rewards.
I know what you mean in terms of pace and power. He glides around with great skills, beats men, jinking runs, good awareness, so he could really be superb, but does need to work on that pace and power.
thfcsteff
Vic Buckingham
Ah good, he recovered from the 10th then. He is potentially an excellent player, but honestly, this current situation could do more harm than good if we just threw him in IMO.
What do people think Sarr’s ceiling is? He looked great when he first broke into the team, but hasn’t really pushed on from there IMO. He obviously has a great engine, but I’m starting to wonder if he has any other standout traits? Bergvall’s already come in and shown more potential IMO - has the engine, but also superior technical and maybe defensive ability. Can see Sarr ending up as a good squad player here, but never really making that no.8 spot his own. No bad thing, just had higher hopes when I first saw him play!
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
Said before that do step up further I think he has to improve on the ball, how comfortable he is under pressure, more ambitious ball progression. Alternatively add more end product to his game, perhaps particularly goals, he has the stamina to make a lot of those good runs.
Without that imo his ceiling is being a fantastic box to box player in more transitional games, great defensive cover from that box to box role, covering space etc. But for some games and game states not having that much of an impact.
Still a very good, very useful player. But a ceiling there that Bergvall and Gray don't have. They may have or hit different ceilings of course.
Bullet
Chris Jones
He’s been playing with a knock that kept him out of training. But he soldiered on and took the pain for the team. Great effort. You can’t judge him on the last couple of months.
Revisit it in May.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I agree, he is still young [22] and will/should improve as he gets older. For me is is the least of our worrys in M/F.
Muttley
Neil Ruddock
Where Sarr mostly needs to be nurtured is in his decision making and how to form partnerships with team mates. He comes across as a bit of a lone wolf at times, and is playing more with his heart than his head. He's certainly been caught ahead of play too many times and been involved negatively in some key goals against us. That also could be because his manager is encouraging him to press high rather than shut down space.
