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***OMT - Tottenham vs Galatasaray***

Tonight, we had Forster, Gray, Davies, Dragusin, Bergval and Lankshear who aren't first team compared to Porro, Bissouma, Madds, Son and Johnson who are. When you look at the second list, it's only really Biss and Porro that can be trusted to drive our main tactical structure. The other 3 are part of it, but don't really drive it within the best eleven.

When you look at it like that, you have to admit that it was massively unlikely to see any fluency from that starting eleven.

What could have happened is that Ange admitted that 2 of his 3 or 4 changes were forced upon him - Davies and Dragusin. That should have meant that we had the protection of 2 out of Biss, Bents and Sarr on that pitch and, based on the last 2 games, it would have been the turn of Biss to play the 90 and Bents and Sarr to share the 90. We needed the 2+1 midfield with our regulars starting to help the backup centre halves.

We also had 2 inexperienced centre halves so you probably should start with your regular full-backs to help them through the cauldron that was Gala's attacking talent. For me the 3rd rotation spot could have been either Solanke or Johnson, but not both. Sonny needed more pitch time. I think Ange got this one right. The alternative was to play Son, Solanke and Johnson and just change Venom to get your 3rd change.

I still say this, but the effective way to navigate these games is 8 first teamers with 3 changes. With the subs, that can give up to 8 squad players a chance to be on the pitch at some point. Starting with 5 first team and 6 squad players is just a recipe for disaster. It doesn't help the kids much at all playing with so many changes, let alone the senior squad players. It just scrambles their heads.

There were no extenuating circumstances. This was just another game where we got the team selection strategy wrong. So what that we've got a game on Sunday. That fixture pattern is just business as normal. In fairness, we got the result we deserved.
 
not a bad result losing and scoring 2 against a very good opposition at their very intimidating home ground.

good learning for lankshear and bergvall - both still short of first team standards.

radu got the short end of the stick receiving a very slow ball with two fast players bearing down on him in front and front behind. another defensive mistake.

crosses from gala were perfectly dropped behind the CBs and osimhen is a monster, big and fast - would do well in any team
 
I think the last month or so has proven that our midfield 3 should always contain 2 deeper/more defensive players.

I wouldn't ever want to see Maddison and Bergvall together in a league game. Not at their current levels.

Perhaps the onus is more on Madders to raise the game of those around him but the two of them together seem to drag each other down from what I have seen

I believe it'd only happen via absolute necessity to see Bergvall in the league unless the game is already won with a few minutes to spare. The problem is with our wide forwards either at max capacity or injured we seemingly couldn't make the changes we needed last night and it prolonged what was quite excruciating to watch particularly for the young Swede - I didn't see much of pre season but his niche seems to be doing a cool fifa skill when in space taking himself into a crowded space and losing the ball. Yes Maddison was MIA but we know he can pop up with a moment of quality that'll change things (apart from when he falls over twice seemingly trying to get past himself).

Had we more of a squad yesterday I would be worried by Ange's half time changes, it was sort of the worst of both worlds, we lost whilst also tiring out our 1st team players in need of a rest. While it's shoulda / woulda / coulda it could have been 10 last night. Great to see a kid's first goal, not sure great to see his first red card in a completely unnecessary challenge - We can easily say he'll learn from it but I think most players of any age should know how that one is going to go.
 
Perhaps the onus is more on Madders to raise the game of those around him but the two of them together seem to drag each other down from what I have seen

I believe it'd only happen via absolute necessity to see Bergvall in the league unless the game is already won with a few minutes to spare. The problem is with our wide forwards either at max capacity or injured we seemingly couldn't make the changes we needed last night and it prolonged what was quite excruciating to watch particularly for the young Swede - I didn't see much of pre season but his niche seems to be doing a cool fifa skill when in space taking himself into a crowded space and losing the ball. Yes Maddison was MIA but we know he can pop up with a moment of quality that'll change things (apart from when he falls over twice seemingly trying to get past himself).

Had we more of a squad yesterday I would be worried by Ange's half time changes, it was sort of the worst of both worlds, we lost whilst also tiring out our 1st team players in need of a rest. While it's shoulda / woulda / coulda it could have been 10 last night. Great to see a kid's first goal, not sure great to see his first red card in a completely unnecessary challenge - We can easily say he'll learn from it but I think most players of any age should know how that one is going to go.
Don't think we tired anyone out too badly. Porro played 90, but he missed the City game not that long ago. Bissouma played 90, but probably won't start at the weekend. Centre backs played 90, but if anything need the game time.

For me at least it's not about two games in quick succession. But if it gets to 3-4 games in quick succession (or more), at high intensity, starting and playing most of the game that's when we see a significant drop off.

Udogie, Bentancur, Sarr, Kulusevski, Johnson, Solanke and Son all with limited (or in Udogie's case no) game time. Good, smart rotation from Ange. Will hopefully see benefits from that come the weekend.
 
Don't think we tired anyone out too badly. Porro played 90, but he missed the City game not that long ago. Bissouma played 90, but probably won't start at the weekend. Centre backs played 90, but if anything need the game time.

For me at least it's not about two games in quick succession. But if it gets to 3-4 games in quick succession (or more), at high intensity, starting and playing most of the game that's when we see a significant drop off.

Udogie, Bentancur, Sarr, Kulusevski, Johnson, Solanke and Son all with limited (or in Udogie's case no) game time. Good, smart rotation from Ange. Will hopefully see benefits from that come the weekend.

Think a lot of teams suffer from lack of prep for the next game. They won't be training today. So tomorrow is the only day the get to prep for the game. Hopefully it helps that ange has a set out philosophy not relying on set instructions as much as say conte. We know how we're going to play.

Travel tskes it out of you aswell though.
 
Think a lot of teams suffer from lack of prep for the next game. They won't be training today. So tomorrow is the only day the get to prep for the game. Hopefully it helps that ange has a set out philosophy not relying on set instructions as much as say conte. We know how we're going to play.

Travel tskes it out of you aswell though.
Definitely there's negative consequences. Just think Ange seems to mitigate that quite well and that we're not running players into the ground at the moment.
 
So I’ve just had time to watch through the first 30 mins again and it’s not as bad as I remember. I’m not sure if that’s because I know what’s coming and the tension is lifted, but until Dragu’s double rooster up for the second, I feel we’re more than holding our own, given the circumstances.

Still to watch the rest of the half, but I’m assuming it’s after the second that we go to pieces.

Interesting process to watch it back again!
 
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Same sort of c*ntish way of debating that has become all to common... Especially from those who are left leaning.

People highlighting that after being over a year in charge last night, Brighton, Palace, Coventry and many more occasions and halves... showing us how struggle to string more than two passes together, defend as team, press as a team, attack as team...

That we some how need help...

Because some people don't have their heads buried in the sanding pretending everything is okay.

It says more about you than anything else.
 
So I’ve just had time to watch through the first 30 mins again and it’s not as bad as I remember. I’m not sure if that’s because I know what’s coming and the tension is lifted, but until Dragu’s double rooster up for the second, I feel we’re more than holding our own, given the circumstances.

Still to watch the rest of the half, but I’m assuming it’s after the second that we go to pieces.

Interesting process to watch it back again!

Take the ridiculous biased commentary off and it helps.
Gala offside trap was fantastic, when they had offside goals chopped off we were lucky, even though they were 3 yards offside.
 
Same sort of c*ntish way of debating that has become all to common... Especially from those who are left leaning.

People highlighting that after being over a year in charge last night, Brighton, Palace, Coventry and many more occasions and halves... showing us how struggle to string more than two passes together, defend as team, press as a team, attack as team...

That we some how need help...

Because some people don't have their heads buried in the sanding pretending everything is okay.

It says more about you than anything else.

It does, it implies I'm concerned that people can't understand that it's just a game and should not cause such traumatic emotions to a setback in a leisure activity. Far more serious things happen in the world to worry about. Perhaps there are other less stressful pursuits they could follow to help them live a calmer life or even get a life.
 
It does, it implies I'm concerned that people can't understand that it's just a game and should not cause such traumatic emotions to a setback in a leisure activity. Far more serious things happen in the world to worry about. Perhaps there are other less stressful pursuits they could follow to help them live a calmer life or even get a life.
Pointing out problems, doesn't mean people are close to cutting their wrists, or don't understand that its just a game...

They are making a comment on what they see...

And if what they see is shyte, then they will say what they is shyte...

What's the point of the forum of you can't be honest about what you see?
 
Pointing out problems, doesn't mean people are close to cutting their wrists, or don't understand that its just a game...

They are making a comment on what they see...

And if what they see is shyte, then they will say what they is shyte...

What's the point of the forum of you can't be honest about what you see?

Nothing wrong in reasoned comments but rants and the neverending need to blame someone is boring. I like to read literature and listen to all types of music but don't feel the need to over react to them though they both can effect my emotions or analysis the minutiae of them.
 
Nothing wrong in reasoned comments but rants and the neverending need to blame someone is boring. I like to read literature and listen to all types of music but don't feel the need to over react to them though they both can effect my emotions or analysis the minutiae of them.
That's because somewhere there is someone to blame if the same issues are resurfacing time and time again.

Since we went unbeaten last year we have roughly won and lost the same number of games, with wins slightly higher than losses.

The problems that plagued us last season agree the same problems and issues this season.

And it will p*ss people off... Everyone is different... As it will do to anyone who is passionate about something.
 
That's because somewhere there is someone to blame if the same issues are resurfacing time and time again.

Since we went unbeaten last year we have roughly won and lost the same number of games, with wins slightly higher than losses.

The problems that plagued us last season agree the same problems and issues this season.

And it will p*ss people off... Everyone is different... As it will do to anyone who is passionate about something.

I get that some people get self gratification out of blaming others but I see it as pointless, my opinion on how or why a team or player fail to meet my expectations cannot effect the future and no matter how I may justify my opinion it will not change other peoples views once they have become entrenched with them. I'm lucky I suppose in that I always approach any game I play or watch hoping to win, if I don't there's always the next game to look forward to.
 
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