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***OMT TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR vs Everton***

Just watching their second goal. It’s fudging horrific. The press is slow. They stroll through our right side and Gray and Porro are nowhere to be seen.

That’s abysmal for all concerned.

Gray is caught high as he's in that new befuddled system. I think the only midfielder in any sort of covering position is Bergvall but he hesitates. If Dragusin just continues to go towards their player and challenge him, even though he'd be very high in doing so, at least Bergvall then has only one decision to make - drop in and cover behind Dragusin. I think Drags hesitating and then retreating is a huge issue there.
 
It was yours, the fans, the club. But you've covered it.

My take - he's gone. He was gone in December for me after he refused to make changes to effect the games, adapt to the horrendous injury crisis and then double down with his "it's how we play" bs.
At new year I have him a small further chance after the Man U game. But that game was the exception.

He wants to only play one way. He uses the injuries as a reason for not being able to get results playing that way, but fails to adapt.
He wants to have his cake and eat it, and then be stroppy if someone points out it's unhealthy to eat all the cake.

A win % around 40 and defeat % over 50 in the past 13 months isn't acceptable with the resources he has available to him.
If we 9/10th, I'd accept the injury position. But we're 8 points from the drop zone, nothing shows any signs of improvement. The performances haven't acceptable for a year. The tactics haven't been acceptable for a year. They are tactics that rely on playing against players of an inferior standard to the EPL.

I was willing to allow Ange to have his own learning and development curve in this rebuild - but he clearly can't/won't, so there is little to suggest much will change.

I would have loved for him to succeed, I think it would be fantastic for doped up football landscape as well as for Spurs.
But romance isn't reality.

It's goodbye Ange. It has been entertaining.

I actually think this is a huge, huge sentence. So many places to go with it...
 
Gray is caught high as he's in that new befuddled system. I think the only midfielder in any sort of covering position is Bergvall but he hesitates. If Dragusin just continues to go towards their player and challenge him, even though he'd be very high in doing so, at least Bergvall then has only one decision to make - drop in and cover behind Dragusin. I think Drags hesitating and then retreating is a huge issue there.
Your full back has to be in a position there Steff that he can get back and help. All I want from my centre back in that position is to hold the Everton lad up or slow him down to get someone else back to help. But there was no-one near on that right side because Gray and Porro were so high so the Everton lad does a lollipop and drives into the big massive hole. Dragusin can do better but he's not helped by the set-up of the team.

In football, in my view, you will always have mistakes and no perfect system to solve them all. But your system should help to cover some of those mistakes. Ours doesn't. That second goal was unforgivable for me.
 
Gray is caught high as he's in that new befuddled system. I think the only midfielder in any sort of covering position is Bergvall but he hesitates. If Dragusin just continues to go towards their player and challenge him, even though he'd be very high in doing so, at least Bergvall then has only one decision to make - drop in and cover behind Dragusin. I think Drags hesitating and then retreating is a huge issue there.

I guess Dragusin hesitates when he realises that Gray, Porro and Sarr aren’t busting a gut to get back whilst Bervall doesn’t dash across as he’s aware that Everton could have a 3 on 2 overload down our left side if he vacates that space.
 
Your full back has to be in a position there Steff that he can get back and help. All I want from my centre back in that position is to hold the Everton lad up or slow him down to get someone else back to help. But there was no-one near on that right side because Gray and Porro were so high so the Everton lad does a lollipop and drives into the big massive hole. Dragusin can do better but he's not helped by the set-up of the team.

In football, in my view, you will always have mistakes and no perfect system to solve them all. But your system should help to cover some of those mistakes. Ours doesn't. That second goal was unforgivable for me.

I agree. I am saying that it was Archie's first time as RCB in a three. We were three at the back, Gray has pushed too high and Porro too.
 
I guess Dragusin hesitates when he realises that Gray, Porro and Sarr aren’t busting a gut to get back whilst Bervall doesn’t dash across as he’s aware that Everton could have a 3 on 2 overload down our left side if he vacates that space.

I think you're right, and that's also the 'new formation' at play. My hope/assumption would've been that had Dragusin not hesitated, it would've been clear to Bergy that he'd need to drop in there and help deeper.
 
I think you're right, and that's also the 'new formation' at play. My hope/assumption would've been that had Dragusin not hesitated, it would've been clear to Bergy that he'd need to drop in there and help deeper.

I’m still flummoxed as to why Postecoglou thought it would be more straightforward to suddenly switch formation to a back 3 than to simply slot Davies in as LCB allowing Gray to move into midfield; whilst he’s never played there for us Archie did get MotM against Chavski playing CMF last season so it shouldn’t be too much of a shock for him.

I see that Dragusin occasionally played in the middle of a back 3 for Genoa but they’re a low/mid block defence so charging out to make a challenge near centre circle isn’t really in his comfort zone.

 
I’m still flummoxed as to why Postecoglou thought it would be more straightforward to suddenly switch formation to a back 3 than to simply slot Davies in as LCB allowing Gray to move into midfield; whilst he’s never played there for us Archie did get MotM against Chavski playing CMF last season so it shouldn’t be too much of a shock for him.

I see that Dragusin occasionally played in the middle of a back 3 for Genoa but they’re a low/mid block defence so charging out to make a challenge near centre circle isn’t really in his comfort zone.

It was career suicide
 
Yeah, the way Sarr and Gray got bypassed so easily by a simple 1-2 releasing Ndiaye on halfway line then neither busted a gut to track back so the Everton attacker had open space until Dragusin tried to challenge him on the edge of our 18 yard box is disappointing. Porro’s clearly in the red zone for fatigue and so it’s no surprise to see him sauntering back from his stall on halfway line.

Gray also got span around like a top by Calvert-Lewin for their first goal but in his defence he’s never played as RCB in a back 3 for us before.

There is another massive clue there about Ange's nurturing and philosophy. I mean, how many times in one season can we talk about Sarr's deficiencies in these key moments? Either he is not as good as we make him out to be, or he is being sold down the river by his manager's tactics. I still think Sarr is a very good player that is being let down by the coaching staff. It's not fatigue either unless that is from the training ground. Sarr's minutes in January have been very reasonable.

There are just so many clues in any topic. Nothing in themselves to overturn Ange, but when you add them all up, it's quite compelling to move on with a new guy.
 
Gray is caught high as he's in that new befuddled system. I think the only midfielder in any sort of covering position is Bergvall but he hesitates. If Dragusin just continues to go towards their player and challenge him, even though he'd be very high in doing so, at least Bergvall then has only one decision to make - drop in and cover behind Dragusin. I think Drags hesitating and then retreating is a huge issue there.

There is no guarantee that the full-back would have been goal side in the normal system. Moyes has obviously made it a lot simpler again for his guys, who aren't that good. The difference between 1 point / 3 points and zero points.....again.
 
Here's a genuine question for everyone. Who was surprised that we found ourselves 3-0 down yesterday?

1-0 down seems to be a given in most games. 2-0 is therefore no surprise. It happens. 3 though is a new low, but I still wasn't overly surprised as anything can happen in an Ange system. That includes the opposite outcome.
 
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Here's a genuine question for everyone. Who was surprised that we found ourselves 3-0 down yesterday?

1-0 down seems to be a given in most games. 2-0 is therefore no surprise. It happens. 3 though is a new low, but I still wasn't overly surprised as anything can happen in an Ange system. That includes the opposite outcome.

I was more surprised that it didn't get worse at 3 nil than I was at being 3 down in the first place
 
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