OMT *** Tottenham Hotspur v woolwich *** 22.2.26

[braineclipse]

Which is fair enough, and yet Brentford and Wolves took points from Arsenal in their last two games. Is there not a gulf in class there too? How do they get draws and we get spanked 1-4 at home?

Every game is different, of course, but I thought we were a mess on Sunday and I wasn’t seeing players really grasping that we are in serious danger - too many half-arsing it imo.

Didn't actu watch those games but...

Brentford are unfortunately quite a bit better than us at the moment. And a team well set up over time to do well in games like that.

Wolves seems more like a luck/variance thing. Play those games enough times and sometimes both Wolves and ourselves would get a resul?

 

[Bishop]

Seeing a fair bit of talk from fans that we didnt expect to beat Woolwich but were just looking for a bit of fight and didn’t get it.

I’d have to disagree. I thought the players worked hard and it was largely down to their effort that we were level at half time.

I thought we were just outclassed. Totally and utterly. I wonder if fans mean “I don’t mind being beaten by them as long as we’re competitive.” In fairness, we weren’t really competitive but that, in my opinion, was due to a gulf in class not a gulf in effort.

I was at the game and I haven't watched it back but for me we fought, we were disciplined and despite the result it was a good effort. The problem is that we are low on actual quality, so if we aren't able to take our chances of are wrongly denied (Muani's second) then eventually the quality will win out. In the second half we looked a little tired but moreso It felt like we just had to do everything perfectly to keep them away whilst not being able to offer much ourselves.

I think most people are reacting to the score which was somewhat of a collapse but a very understandable one I felt given the circumstances. At the same time whilst I'm not down and out about this match in terms of effort and fight i didn't see anything in terms of real quality that gives me any hope going forward.

I think it's going to be a dogfight and we aren't really suited to that (not that we are suited particularly for anything ).

 

[Bishop]

Didn't actu watch those games but...

Brentford are unfortunately quite a bit better than us at the moment. And a team well set up over time to do well in games like that.

Wolves seems more like a luck/variance thing. Play those games enough times and sometimes both Wolves and ourselves would get a resul?

I think with us vs Wolves is that Wolves know what they are. They've accepted it and thus play accordingly. Whereas we think we are a top team. We pay top team wages, our players come here thinking that is roughly what they are joining.

So we sort of play head to head, our players are supposed to be a little bit more silky than their Wolves counterparts, a little bit more crisp, a bit faster, a bit stronger, a bit more creative etc. but in reality we aren't or at best we aren't to a degree that it makes a difference. So we play these games trying to play football but we aren't particularly good at doing so so we are caught in this weird half way house. Not good enough to actually be good and not brick enough to realize and accept that we are brick and then play accordingly.

 

[braineclipse]

I think with us vs Wolves is that Wolves know what they are. They've accepted it and thus play accordingly. Whereas we think we are a top team. We pay top team wages, our players come here thinking that is roughly what they are joining.

So we sort of play head to head, our players are supposed to be a little bit more silky than their Wolves counterparts, a little bit more crisp, a bit faster, a bit stronger, a bit more creative etc. but in reality we aren't or at best we aren't to a degree that it makes a difference. So we play these games trying to play football but we aren't particularly good at doing so so we are caught in this weird half way house. Not good enough to actually be good and not brick enough to realize and accept that we are brick and then play accordingly.

I think it's more just that sometimes in football improbable things happen, like Wolves getting a point against Arsenal despite being a much worse team.

Frank had us playing like if we were brick most of the season, didn't do much for us.

 

[Mikey10]

We pay top team wages

Ermmm....