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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Saudi Sportswashing Machine FC ***

thfcsteff said:
Haha, great minds and all I just mentioned that and it was worse. We scored to my memory and the goal was disallowed for handball!

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No doubt in my mind that the worse handball EVER decission was.... when... Liverpool player flicks the ball onto Sissoko 's
arm deliberately! The ball actually hit his chest first IIRC..
And this was The Champions League Final would you believe.
 
Muttley said:
"Liverpool Football Club acknowledges PGMOL’s admission of their failures last night. It is clear that the correct application of the laws of the game did not occur, resulting in sporting integrity being undermined.

We fully accept the pressures that match officials work under but these pressures are supposed to be alleviated, not exacerbated, by the existence and implementation of VAR.

It is therefore unsatisfactory that sufficient time was not afforded to allow the correct decision to be made and that there was no subsequent intervention.

That such failings have already been categorised as “significant human error” is also unacceptable. Any and all outcomes should be established only by the review and with full transparency.

This is vital for the reliability of future decision-making as it applies to all clubs with learnings being used to make improvements to processes in order to ensure this kind of situation cannot occur again.

In the meantime, we will explore the range of options available, given the clear need for escalation and resolution."

This is why Liverpool get favourable refereeing decisions. They had the guts to go after PGMOL, ironically after our game.

Here is Arsenal's

"Arsenal Football Club wholeheartedly supports Mikel Arteta’s post-match comments after yet more unacceptable refereeing and VAR errors on Saturday evening.

We’d also like to acknowledge the huge effort and performance from our players and travelling supporters at St James’ Park.

The Premier League is the best league in the world with the best players, coaches and supporters, all of whom deserve better. PGMOL urgently needs to address the standard of officiating and focus on action which moves us all on from retrospective analysis, attempted explanations and apologies.

We support the ongoing efforts of Chief Refereeing Officer, Howard Webb and would welcome working together to achieve the world-class officiating standards our league demands."

It is an even stronger message than Liverpool's, but had a positive impact.

I genuinely believe that this weekend Levy needs to sanction an equivalent comm from THFC. We now need to go on the offensive against PGMOL. Howard Webb needs to feel the pressure for his team to start following the laws of the game again. They are breaking the system that is football once more.
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Do you know if Arsenal and Liverpool actually achieved anything for doing this? I'm not necessarily disagreeing but I remember thinking both Liver pool and Arse were a bunch of entitled fudgers for putting out those statements.
 
glasgowspur said:
I think it was deliberate, but not a foul, he's fending the player off.
Not every deliberate contact is a foul.
He had at least three other bookable offences today though, and IMHO was very fortunate to not be red carded.
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Fair enough, my stream was iffy so I wasn't in a position to tally up fouls.

My only qualm with the "He should have been sent off" thing is if he'd had got an early yellow, that would have affected the rest of his actions and things would hve panned out differently. I'm not sure if that sounds a bit back to the future / pedantic but I hope you catch my drift! Either way he's a top player imo who was possibly little close to the line today. I'd swap any of ours for him or guimares tbh.
 
Robspur12 said:
Do you know if Arsenal and Liverpool actually achieved anything for doing this? I'm not necessarily disagreeing but I remember thinking both Liver pool and Arse were a bunch of entitled fudgers for putting out those statements.
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I backed them wholeheartedly at the time.

I think it comes down to what PGMOL is about. I don't know if you know the history but they were formed 20-25 years ago to improve the poor standard of refereeing. They are supposed to scan the best 500-1000 officials across England and ensure that the best ones move up the pyramid on to payroll and provide the highest quality of service to their football stakeholders. They are failing in that task, but still happily taking the budget and salary.

So what Pool and Arsenal did is remind them who their customer is. It isn't the PL or the FA and they aren't as protected as they think they are. That net had been circling on PGMOL for years, even though they tried to suppress every angle previously especially under that little weasel Mike Riley.

What we've now seeing is more complacency from PGMOL (it's a cultural thing) who once again think they are untouchable.

The worst that can happen to Spurs is that we get more decisions go our way as every referee is already on the back foot. That is especially at home. That is the luxury that Arsenal and Pool attained after going the public vote of no confidence. I would also encourage Ange to now make a thing about it. He needs to be more Arteta and stick the knife in.

However, the club should be equally intelligent in the official comms, just like those clubs were.

The other guy that was incredibly intelligent about it was Nuno. He shone a light on every failure of PGMOL last season for his club. He has shut that noise down by getting into the referee's heads.
 
Muttley said:
I backed them wholeheartedly at the time.

I think it comes down to what PGMOL is about. I don't know if you know the history but they were formed 20-25 years ago to improve the poor standard of refereeing. They are supposed to scan the best 500-1000 officials across England and ensure that the best ones move up the pyramid on to payroll and provide the highest quality of service to their football stakeholders. They are failing in that task, but still happily taking the budget and salary.

So what Pool and Arsenal did is remind them who their customer is. It isn't the PL or the FA and they aren't as protected as they think they are. That net had been circling on PGMOL for years, even though they tried to suppress every angle previously especially under that little weasel Mike Riley.

What we've now seeing is more complacency from PGMOL (it's a cultural thing) who once again think they are untouchable.

The worst that can happen to Spurs is that we get more decisions go our way as every referee is already on the back foot. That is especially at home. That is the luxury that Arsenal and Pool attained after going the public vote of no confidence. I would also encourage Ange to now make a thing about it. He needs to be more Arteta and stick the knife in.

However, the club should be equally intelligent in the official comms, just like those clubs were.

The other guy that was incredibly intelligent about it was Nuno. He shone a light on every failure of PGMOL last season for his club. He has shut that noise down by getting into the referee's heads.
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I’ll respectfully disagree. I hated what Forest did and the other two.

IIRC everyone said “Liverpool will get all the big decisions after that.” About a month later they got screwed on a blatant handball penalty against Woolwich at Anfield. Absolute shocker of a decision in a very important game.

I’d rather we show a bit of class. I thought Ange addressed it very well today.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I’ll respectfully disagree. I hated what Forest did and the other two.

IIRC everyone said “Liverpool will get all the big decisions after that.” About a month later they got screwed on a blatant handball penalty against Woolwich at Anfield. Absolute shocker of a decision in a very important game.

I’d rather we show a bit of class. I thought Ange addressed it very well today.
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I thought pool got everything after their rant sure their fans would say the opposite
 
On way home and not caught up with the thread.
We absolutely deserved something out of that, especially based on our second half performance. One of the worse refs I’ve seen in a good while. No one can question whether Ange still has the players on side after that effort. Bergval and Solanke were great. Our makeshift defence did very well considering. Austin looked comfortable. Shame on Saudi Sportswashing Machine for their play acting and time wasting (way before it was justified).
And good to hear Ange alluding to the refereeing and their tactics. He must be very bloody angry to make those comments.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I’ll respectfully disagree. I hated what Forest did and the other two.

IIRC everyone said “Liverpool will get all the big decisions after that.” About a month later they got screwed on a blatant handball penalty against Woolwich at Anfield. Absolute shocker of a decision in a very important game.

I’d rather we show a bit of class. I thought Ange addressed it very well today.
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We must address the root cause though. The laws and the officiating are the root cause of a lot that is wrong with the game. It is changing the outcomes of football, even World Cups.

I would ask the question how do we get out of this cycle? As football stakeholders, are we expected to just tolerate what we saw from Maddley today?

That's why I say that if we're a big club, then start acting like one and throw our weight around with PGMOL.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
On way home and not caught up with the thread.
We absolutely deserved something out of that, especially based on our second half performance. One of the worse refs I’ve seen in a good while. No one can question whether Ange still has the players on side after that effort. Bergval and Solanke were great. Our makeshift defence did very well considering. Austin looked comfortable. Shame on Saudi Sportswashing Machine for their play acting and time wasting (way before it was justified).
And good to hear Ange alluding to the refereeing and their tactics. He must be very bloody angry to make those comments.
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Could spot it happening as early as 6 minutes
The ref showed no balls at all and was being manipulated by them every time
They went buts when Dan Burn went off with. Fake head injury and wasn’t allowed back on
 
Daveeeeeeeed said:
Plus, you all know how bias one team, fans, manager can be, but Howe saying they deserved the win today is bullcrap. Also him saying they managed the game well at the end, what a clam. I used to think he was alright but he is a bit of a bellend now.
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I'd take him right now though. Would we have to pay the shaved apes any compensation if we did?
 
spurspinter1 said:
Fair enough, my stream was iffy so I wasn't in a position to tally up fouls.

My only qualm with the "He should have been sent off" thing is if he'd had got an early yellow, that would have affected the rest of his actions and things would hve panned out differently. I'm not sure if that sounds a bit back to the future / pedantic but I hope you catch my drift! Either way he's a top player imo who was possibly little close to the line today. I'd swap any of ours for him or guimares tbh.
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He had two bookable offences but the ref played advantage and didn't go back to them, seems to be the way of it atm with everyone, so hey ho.
After a couple of niggly ones the ref warned him and actually pointed to where the first two fouls were committed (which seems strange to me) and made an emphatic no more gesture.
He made another couple of niggly ones which isolation are nothing, but having been warned and commit another two cards before being carded is just awful reffing.
 
spurspinter1 said:
People are really reading things I haven't said in regards to blood!

I think Joelinton is a brilliant player. And he's not quite fellaini levels of throwing elbows around but it happens when you've got that strength and ability to draw opponents in.

I just didn't see it as a deliberate elbow. I choose to not subscribe to this bizarre notion that every other team is full of villains and all our players are lovely fluffy bunny rabbits and the refs are all against us. It's very self serving.
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In general I agree, but sometimes it really is what the eyes see IMO.
 
MrScottSpur said:
We can all keep commenting but it’s a disgrace guys no getting away from it. I can’t remember being it this bad for a while and why should it be bad why can’t we we challenge each year, as we did, for a time?. I’m sick of it all at the moment
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It’s poor enough alright. Ordinarily I’d say 12th at this point with 10 losses is unacceptable but there are extenuating circumstances to be fair. Look at the defence that finished today for example.

We’re all sick of these results but a change now has limited upside and the players are still playing for Ange which says a lot given the media coverage they’ll be hearing. Ange deserves more time - he can turn this around.

As much as we’d love to be challenging, we really have no right to and we have no real history of it. Without wishing to reignite the debate, it really shows what an incredible job Poch did for us for those 4-5 years.
 
spurspinter1 said:
Do you think Kulu's shoulder on Gordon should be a yellow too? You know, the one with actual blood everywhere rather than a little bump on Bergvall's noggin.

If it's just purely based on what colour shirt someone's wearing just admit it. I don't think either are yellows, you might want the game soft without anyone possibly bumping into anyone else but at the moment it's a contact sport.
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Joelonton made a deliberate action. Kulu didn’t.
 
I do agree that Joelinton's action was a disguised hand-to-ball today. I'm not sure in what universe a defending team doesn't get the benefit of the doubt either even if it is 50:50. I'm pretty convinced if that had been Kulu at the other end, the whistle would have blown. Joelinton didn't have to bring his hand from behind his back to where the ball flight was that quickly. It didn't look natural to me, and I'm convinced Joelinton was just willing to give away the petty free-kick. That is the nature of the player.
 
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