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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Saudi Sportswashing Machine FC ***

glasgowspur said:
That was joelintons second foul after being warned that the ref would allow him no more fouls.
The fact there was blood was totally irrelevant, it wasn't a foul.
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Did I say it was a foul? My entire point is that you can have physical contact in a game without it being a foul / a yellow. It's a contact game and accidents happen with varying degrees of severity. If people want to be ridiculous and wail about supposed injustices, fine but at least own the ridiculousness.

Respectfully I don't know if we really want to get in to this again mate! Does it lead anywhere positive in terms of discourse?

I'm not devastated by the recent performances and I don't think there's some kind of agenda, although I was honestly surprised by the Gordon goal handball (or no handball I should say). Hopefully we all want consistency but no two situations are exactly the same...
 
spurspinter1 said:
Did I say it was a foul? My entire point is that you can have physical contact in a game without it being a foul / a yellow. It's a contact game and accidents happen with varying degrees of severity. If people want to be ridiculous and wail about supposed injustices, fine but at least own the ridiculousness.

Respectfully I don't know if we really want to get in to this again mate! Does it lead anywhere positive in terms of discourse?

I'm not devastated by the recent performances and I don't think there's some kind of agenda, although I was honestly surprised by the Gordon goal handball (or no handball I should say). Hopefully we all want consistency but no two situations are exactly the same...
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You're right, no two situations are the same, so why did you compare them.
 
spurspinter1 said:
Because they're similar instances of two bits of physical contact that weren't fouls. Apologies if that wasn't clear, I thought it was pretty clear (and didn't say they were identical). Anything else? Was this what you wanted?
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one a deliberate act, the other wasn't.
You insinuate in your original post that because there was blood it worse, even though it was accidental.
 
Mikey10 said:
Yip - the rule is the issue on the goal, not the ref. He should have sent off Burn for two yellows though, and Joelinton should have been booked early on.
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It’s ok everyone saying the rules were applied for their first goal. But 9/10 the ref blows up on field. The fact he didn’t is because it’s Spurs and the easy thing to do is give the decision to the momentum media darlings - Saudi Sportswashing Machine.
 
glasgowspur said:
one a deliberate act, the other wasn't.
You insinuate in your original post that because there was blood it worse, even though it was accidental.
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I personally don't see how Joelinton's was intentional and it was minor.

But there's presumably a Saudi Sportswashing Machine fan on a forum saying that Kulu's was definitely calculated and positioned himself to taco Gordon with his shoulder.

My point being that's subjective and we won't get anywhere in this discussion. I mean yeah if you bloody someone's nose it's a worse accident than slightly bumping them. I don't believe Bergvall was actually hurt, like the Bruno incident, he's doing what footballers do and that's life (but also a subjective call that you're entitled to disagree with!).
 
spurspinter1 said:
I personally don't see how Joelinton's was intentional and it was minor.

But there's presumably a Saudi Sportswashing Machine fan on a forum saying that Kulu's was definitely calculated and positioned himself to taco Gordon with his shoulder.

My point being that's subjective and we won't get anywhere in this discussion. I mean yeah if you bloody someone's nose it's a worse accident than slightly bumping them. I don't believe Bergvall was actually hurt, like the Bruno incident, he's doing what footballers do and that's life (but also a subjective call that you're entitled to disagree with!).
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I wouldn't have expected a fk for that in isolation and even after his warnings, it was a tussle, nothing more IMHO and he used his arm the way most players would, in fact it happens at just about every dead ball.
Kulu stood his ground and Gordon ran into him, it's unlucky that it was his nose, that took the brunt of it, probably the only part of his body that that kind of contact is going to draw blood from.
Absolutely nothing kulu could done about it.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
We lost today, but at least we had a go today. I do not feel like crap this afternoon. Considering the absentees I am satisfied.
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I was happy with it. Don’t think we deserved to win, probably a draw at best as we didn’t really trouble their keeper but it was a good effort all things considered.

Ange has to get end of the season barring an absolute collapse.
 
For the Newcash equaliser, Brandon Austin has the ball and Gray is facing him, surrounded. Gray has not yet pulled out wide, he is still within the width of the 18 yard box.
Stupid of Austin to roll the ball to Gray there; Gray turns and gives it to a marked man (Sarr) who tries a clever flick pass to Bergvall but it is a bit long, so Bergvall has to flick it past Joelinton.

Those are the mistakes in that goal; mainly Austin, then Gray, Sarr. Not the ref, he applied the rules as they are written.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
We lost today, but at least we had a go today. I do not feel like crap this afternoon. Considering the absentees I am satisfied.
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Me too. Thought the players did enough to make us proud. Quite a few positives from this game.

Imo in part shows how much fatigue has been a major cause of our recent problems. Even with quite a few players missing today we played fairly well and particularly in the second half after the subs. Fresher legs, despite illness and players missing. Makes a big difference.
 
braineclipse said:
Me too. Thought the players did enough to make us proud. Quite a few positives from this game.

Imo in part shows how much fatigue has been a major cause of our recent problems. Even with quite a few players missing today we played fairly well and particularly in the second half after the subs. Fresher legs, despite illness and players missing. Makes a big difference.
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I dont feel like crap, but I am angry with the decisions out there, which weren't really black or white. Ok the handball I can understand because of the rules, whilst it sucks it was 1-1. It is a different level of upset for me today, but as I said before the game as long as we tried and played our football we can do, then the result didnt matter. Alas, it does for the stupid refereeing and VAR.

What I am angry about is the following:

1) Blatant yellow card for Joelinton not given
2) Blatant second yellow card for Joelinton not given
3) Blatant Red Card for elbow for Joelinton
4) Blatant second yellow for Burn for the deliberate handball

They should have been down to 9 men essentially and we would have easily won.

Also the timewasting from those fcukers was bad, not the worst I've seen but still awful.

We are not having any luck go our way unfortunately, on injuries, ref decisions, fine margins (posts being hit, saves etc) and its highly frustrating.

Plus, you all know how bias one team, fans, manager can be, but Howe saying they deserved the win today is bullcrap. Also him saying they managed the game well at the end, what a clam. I used to think he was alright but he is a bit of a bellend now.
 
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