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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Brighton & Hove Albion FC ***

Anyone? What about Wilson Odobert?
I like Odobert I wish he was more ready, but he feels like the young guy who should be coming on and developing behind a first teamer. Tbh all of the proper options on the left feel like they are either the development option or the squad depth guy rather than the actual starter. That's what we are missing and why it's seems so janky on that side.
 
He will not make it with us. I'd be happy to offload him in January as long as we upgrade significantly. He's a decent mid-league player (I think somewhere like Brentford he'd do OK) but he is not the required standard for me if we want to push on.
I don't disagree i was just having a laugh at a post saying "anyone will do" in terms of playing left wing :)
 
I like Odobert I wish he was more ready, but he feels like the young guy who should be coming on and developing behind a first teamer. Tbh all of the proper options on the left feel like they are either the development option or the squad depth guy rather than the actual starter. That's what we are missing and why it's seems so janky on that side.
I actually don't like odobert. I was just having a laugh in respect of the suggestion that "anyone would do" at left wing....
 
I loved watching Simons out there in the 10 role - you really get to see how much we've missed a player like that (Maddison on a good day makes all the difference, of course). Getting into tiny pockets to receive, quickly turns, flicks people through, finds the right and smart pass just a split second before the defender does, pop up at the right place for a shot. He was excellent. Should've had at least a goal, but his finishing lacked a bit of fine tuning. Anyways, a proper Tottenham-player if ever I saw one. Really excited to see him in that role going forward.
 
I like Odobert I wish he was more ready, but he feels like the young guy who should be coming on and developing behind a first teamer. Tbh all of the proper options on the left feel like they are either the development option or the squad depth guy rather than the actual starter. That's what we are missing and why it's seems so janky on that side.

I think your appraisal is a lot fairer and more balanced than mine. Having said that, if we could get a Semanyo or someone like that, I'd move him on!
 
I think with Odobert it might be that he’s quite good at a version of the role Grealish was forced to play at City, the ball retainer.

It doesn’t look like he is excellent at beating his man one v one, although he might be ok at it, and he isn’t going to be a Brennan style poacher. But I think what he is, is someone who can probably make the right touch and pass at the right time to release others, and still be something of a threat with his pace to stretch the opposition. I think Udogie was amazing today, and deserves all of the play, but I think Odobert was doing well by releasing him. Doing the simple things and enabling someone else to shine, and there may be a role for that with us. Especially if he can be excellent defensively and maintain high concentration on that front too.

I might be wrong on Odobert, but I hasn’t seen us penetrate as much down the left in previous games - although I do appreciate we were playing two right footers there.

Either way, the idea that Tel and Odobert are championship players is mad to me. There’s clearly a gap between them and Kudus on the other side, but I think they are absolute prem quality with potential. It’s up to them to step up and take the opportunities.
 
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I think with Odobert it might be that he’s quite good at a version of the role Grealish was forced to play at City, the ball retainer.

It doesn’t look like he is excellent at beating his man one v one, although he might be ok at it, and he isn’t going to be a Brennan style poacher. But I think what he is, is someone who can probably make the right touch and pass at the right time to release others, and still be something of a threat with his pace to stretch the opposition. I think Udogie was amazing today, and deserves all of the praise, but j think Odobert was doing well by releasing him. Doing the simple things and enabling someone else to shine, and there may be a role for that with us. Especially if he can be excellent defensively and maintain high concentration on that front too.

I might be wrong on Odobert, but I hasn’t seen us penetrate as much down the left in previous games - although I do appreciate we were playing two right footers there.

Either way, the idea that Tel and Odobert are championship players is mad to me. There’s clearly a gap between them and Kudus on the other side, but I think they are absolute prem quality with potential. It’s up to them to step up and take the opportunities.

I think that all starts with Udogie TBH, albeit I agree that despite my gut feeling it is unfair to write him off right now, as he might well find a purple patch and soar.
 
I like Wilson TBH, I think there is alot to work with, 20 and 21 games into his Spurs journey, I think we will see a good player develop this season seeing us he is likely to get chances to play under Frank.
 
Moore is not as good as Odobert. We forget that Odobert is still yet to have a consistent run in the team. He will come good. I have seen Moore in Scotland. Odobert will eat that league alive. I also have hopes on Moore improving out on loan. I suspect the club wants to see if he will be the next world class product.

Glad I stepped out else the ref would have tinkled me off. Spurs need to start complaining about these refereeing performances a la Ange days. Teams are resorting to fouling in the name of pressing. I have no problem with that except there is no consistency by the ref. I do hope there is a post game review for the ref where these things are pointed out. I can imagine as a manager being irritated enough to do a post game video collage of such moments and send to the refs and EPL.

VAR is a tool. The tool can never be the problem. The problem are the people using or misusing the tool.

Result wise - I am not sure. I think Brighton were fortunate. I still don't agree with the ruling on their first goal. Good that we were able to nick a point though.
 
I think with Odobert it might be that he’s quite good at a version of the role Grealish was forced to play at City, the ball retainer.

It doesn’t look like he is excellent at beating his man one v one, although he might be ok at it, and he isn’t going to be a Brennan style poacher. But I think what he is, is someone who can probably make the right touch and pass at the right time to release others, and still be something of a threat with his pace to stretch the opposition. I think Udogie was amazing today, and deserves all of the play, but I think Odobert was doing well by releasing him. Doing the simple things and enabling someone else to shine, and there may be a role for that with us. Especially if he can be excellent defensively and maintain high concentration on that front too.

I might be wrong on Odobert, but I hasn’t seen us penetrate as much down the left in previous games - although I do appreciate we were playing two right footers there.

Either way, the idea that Tel and Odobert are championship players is mad to me. There’s clearly a gap between them and Kudus on the other side, but I think they are absolute prem quality with potential. It’s up to them to step up and take the opportunities.
While i think it is unfair to label them championship players, as you say there is a gap in quality there right now compared to other players. That is a problem as there is no such obvious gap for me when Bergvall and Gray play. They just come in and look like they belong or even improve the performance of the team. So while i am all for "they're young, they need time" at the same time we are not a kindergarten and at this level you need to start producing otherwise they will be loaned out and/or sold on.

The fact that the club are clearly looking at strengthening that side and up top, bringing in Muani and trying for Savinho shows that i think there are serious doubts internally about their ability to step up with the required quality any time soon.
 
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