He spent £300m. 4th biggest spend in europe 3rd biggest in the prem (over the last 5 years). Our expectations should be top half of the table at the very least.
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He spent £300m. 4th biggest spend in europe 3rd biggest in the prem (over the last 5 years). Our expectations should be top half of the table at the very least.
Chrissivad
Dean Richards
If you keep getting dealt bad hands, stop going all in on them...
I'm all for being critical of Ange where it's due, but 'he has spent x amount of money' doesn't wash with me as an argument. We as a club have invested heavily in youth, but how much of that £300m is on ready made stars? Look at Tel for £60m, 60m sounds like a big boy signing but no it is just a player who is seen as a big talent we are willing to bet on.
£300m sounds great until you look at what it's been spent on, it is mostly young players who we believe have big upside. The reality is they are mostly players who will suffer with inconsistency whilst having obvious ability and this even applies to Gray and Bergvall who will still be doing a lot of learning on the job at PL level. The reality is whoever the manager is won't see the real upside of this spend for a couple of years yet, and absolutely Ange is fair game for criticism but that is irrelevant to what we as a club have spent....
That's bollox. Other clubs also buy young players, we're not unique. We've also bought ready made players like solanke.
We should be doing better than what we are. Which is the point.
Ange came in knowing that the project would be centered around younger players with potential, in fact there were recent quotes from him saying he himself has been part of driving that ethos. He has been quoted saying the young players signed were ready to make an impact this season. That is not an excuse.
The results and even our position in the table could potentially be excused if we were showing signs of progressing towards a game plan but nearly 2 full seasons in and we look as far away from playing with an identity as we did in the beginning. By every conceivable measure he is failing.
The results and even our position in the table could potentially be excused if we were showing signs of progressing towards a game plan but nearly 2 full seasons in and we look as far away from playing with an identity as we did in the beginning. By every conceivable measure he is failing.
No its not bollox, you've deliberately cited 300m spend to make out like Ange has received some great players to work with, when the reality is the vast majority are young talents who are not going to be consistent performers at this level at this stage. Yes Solanke, and who else? Saying we have spent x amount needs context, we have spent on potential not ready made stars.
And yes I literally said Ange is fair game for criticism, saying 'Ange spent 300m' is not part of it IMO.....
Yeah don't question him being happy to work with younger players and behind our ethos, not sure where you think that's being debated? The fact is the majority of 300m spend has been used to spend on potential, not what the quality is right now....
Potential that he himself has said is ready to make an impact straight away.
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So other teams don't buy young players? Ok.
Bishop
Jimmy Neighbour
I don't mind not winning the EL largely because I never thought we would. I never put it as a condition of my continued support for Ange. Losing isn't even the issue, it's the nature of the performances and a lack of adjustment or preparation I see. Those issues have been present since day one and from what I can see have never been addressed. So we find ourselves with an ideological manager whose system isn't working and one who seems unable to adapt it to work better in his current scenario.
Mikey10
Johnny Morrison
Two years in, the question to ask is: where is the progress?
We are poor on the eye; we achieve largely terrible results; the fan base is divided (although increasingly less so, as the penny drops with more and more); and Ange trots out the same lines at press conferences week in and week out.
Jurgen the German
Steve Sedgley
What I find amusing is this idea that you can only judge Ange when we’ve got a fully fit squad. Well when have we had a sustained period without injuries under this manager? It seems to be par for the course, so it’s always going to be an issue. Does that mean we can never fully judge him as we’re almost always going to have players out injured?
Yes he said that. He has to play the young players, not sure what else you would expect him to say? And I don't think anyone would dispute that some if not all have made some form of impact, but none particularly consistent save for Gray perhaps - and that's absolutely fine. But whilst we are involving so many youngsters there is always likely to be such inconsistencies and that's fine.
That doesn't absolve Ange from underperforming to whatever extent, but when saying 'he spent 300m on players' it's only fair to have some context around it. We didn't sign four or five established proven players for that money, we signed a group of mainly talented young players who need at least a couple of years to learn and develop before knowing how good they really are or could be at this level....
He said that about the players when they were signed/before a ball had been kicked this season.
He was backed in his desired transfer approach with a hefty transfer spend and I don't think the expectation when doing that is to go backwards/show what I consider to be no signs of progress - yes our signings have erred towards young with potential which needs to be taken in to account and anyone saying 'we've spent 300m on incoming players therefore we should be competing for the title' or the like, then those people need to adjust their thinking, however saying 'we've spent 300m on the managers chosen players/approach and therefore we should be seeing better performances (either in terms of results or bedding in a style of play) is entirely valid.
Finney Is Back
Colin Calderwood
Young players can and do make an impact, they also make a lot of mistakes. Generally they learn from those mistakes and it stands them in good stead in seasons to come.
Unless we turn the round the tie against AZ and then end up going all the way and winning the Europa League then I think Ange will be gone in the summer (at the latest). Whoever takes over from Ange (and I don't hold much hope they will be particularly good) will get a huge amount of benefit from the experience our young players have got this season.
Finney Is Back
Colin Calderwood
I'm not convinced of that. I think he is fully prepared to work with young players, which is great. I suspect though (just as any manager would) he would've preferred 6 'ready and proven' players like Solanke.
He has said recently that he has been driving the young players with potential transfer approach as much as anyone else at the club.
Finney Is Back
Colin Calderwood
Ah sorry, I missed that. When/where did he say it?
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thfcsteff
Vic Buckingham
I made ONE grammatical error. 'Is without' instead of 'was without'. A rare slip. However I think the rest of it is pretty clear. WHERE do I make excuses for last night???
If you think the 10+ injuries we had from Nov to Feb don't count/should not have been factored in to any judgement of him, then it is your opinion. It is my opinion that calling any such reserve an 'excuse' is absurd, and that IF someone feels that way, they simply did not ever want him at the club after the Chelsea game near the end of '23. Which makes any rational discussion impossible.
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