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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v AFC Bournemouth ***

billyiddo said:
Even if the players and depth is as bad as made out (which I would argue quite strongly against) a good manager should still be able to stamp his presence/tactics on them, you see it all the way down the league - it's not an excuse for what we're seeing imv
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I think he has stamped his tactics on them but they are just not good tactics it would appear, and he's not for changing them. Every manager needs a degree of pragmatism, especially when injuries strike. Ours is stubborn to a fault.
 
SubZero said:
I'd rather say that we would like to win the league, but we don't WANT to. And for that I'm quite happy, I'm more disappointed that we didn't get the missing pieces back when we COULD win the league. This might be the old fart in me speaking, but I honestly don't think top level footballers are as good as they seem (or being lauded), or rather that the level below has caught up. There are no "certain buys" like in the golden CM era, everyone is a gamble, and everyone can turn out bad after looking good. So what's there for Levy to do that he already hasn't? We can talk about Eze and Vini, but we all know what they would've looked like after 6 months of Spursification.

And while I agree that today was as bad as it gets, there were similarly bad efforts under both Poch (at the end), Conte, Jose and Nuno. The only difference being that today it looked like we fielded a team of individuals that's just started playing football. I don't know the details, but to me it looks more like a coaching problem than a managerial problem - even if it's the manager's responsibility at the end of the day.
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Absolutely Levy would like to win things. But he won’t ever do what it takes to win big prizes. That would be to spend big money on wages and bring in top players. He won’t do it because it’s a massive risk no matter who you buy and it’ll cause wage inflation that’ll bugger our wages to turnover ratio. It’s a very sensible way to run a business. It’s not the best way to achieve footballing success.

But, as I’ve said a million times…

There are only a handful of prospective owners who can take the club forward. There are an awful lot more who could take us backwards.
 
Rorschach said:
I think he has stamped his tactics on them but they are just not good tactics it would appear, and he's not for changing them. Every manager needs a degree of pragmatism, especially when injuries strike. Ours is stubborn to a fault.
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I think there's more than enough room within his principles to create a successful team, but he doesn't want to go down that road. He tweaks things, but usually too late and only after everyone has been going on about it for weeks/months.
 
That was shocking, but when I saw Johnson on the left and Kulu on the right I knew it was going to be bad.

Putting Johnson who has been scoring goals for fun on the right on the opposite flank, where we could have put Son or Werner and Kulu who is ridiculously easy to defend against on the right set us up for failure.
 
Mulletperm said:
That was shocking, but when I saw Johnson on the left and Kulu on the right I knew it was going to be bad.

Putting Johnson who has been scoring goals for fun on the right on the opposite flank, where we could have put Son or Werner and Kulu who is ridiculously easy to defend against on the right set us up for failure.
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I don’t want to hammer the lad as I like him but at one point in the second half, I wondered if he’d been subbed off.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I dunno. We’ve had our successes too in terms of making players. Bale, Carrick, Berbatov, Modric all came here, developed and went on to be world class players. Tonnes of other examples too of lads who improved here.
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They did not improve here. They were allready destined to be great players. The point is we could not f ing well keep them...and that goes for many others as well.
 
Rorschach said:
I think he has stamped his tactics on them but they are just not good tactics it would appear, and he's not for changing them. Every manager needs a degree of pragmatism, especially when injuries strike. Ours is stubborn to a fault.
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Yeah that's the alternative point, which I don't disagree with, it's one or the other - either he hasn't been able to get them playing how he wants or how he wants to play isn't up to task - end result would be pretty similar I guess
 
Daisuk said:
Yes, but fudging hell, show some human decency. I feel really bad for the man now.
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I don’t. It was entirely in his power to avoid that confrontation. The players did just that, and kept their distance after the game. He came part-way over to applaud the fans but was boo’ed. He then started to walk away before changing his mind and coming back, right over to the away section sideline. The security staff seemed to advise against doing so but he waved them away and walked right up to the barrier to have a barney with some fans. He kept pointing to his chest as if saying ‘you want ME out do you?’

That situation was entirely of his own making. It was absolutely not the time to berate the fans for having the audacity to boo him and his team.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I dunno. We’ve had our successes too in terms of making players. Bale, Carrick, Berbatov, Modric all came here, developed and went on to be world class players. Tonnes of other examples too of lads who improved here.
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Those are good calls. There are of course examples of players coming good, but there are more than enough examples of players coming in on a high note leaving on a low note without having done much of interest. Bent, Kanoute, Rebrov, Soldado, Lo Celso, Moura, N'Dombele, Bergwijn, Sissoko, Bentley, Adebayor, Jenas, all what I'd call marquee signings off the top of my head. But yeah, we've been good with quite a few youngsters and prospects.
 
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