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O/T Olympic Football 2012

I know. I know. And it's something I can never take back..... #-o



Just to put my final two-pennies worth (I've realised I've been more vocal in a thread about Beckham than any Spurs-related thread on here, ever!!). A few of you have questioned his ability and how he's never 'taken a game by the scruff of the neck'. THAT game against Greece, it wasn't just about his free-kick, which was mind-blowing in itself in such a high-pressure situation. He DID take that game by the scruff of the neck. He was everywhere. He got us the result we needed in that game, pure and simple.

After being dropped not just from the first 11 but from the RM squad by Capello, who told the press he wouldn't be picking Beckham again, hence his decision to sign a pre-contract with Galaxy, his performances in training prompted Capello to re-think his decision. Becks got back in the team and was instrumental in Madrid going on to win the title. If memory serves, Capello even back-tracked and said he regretted his decision to not only drop Beckham, but to allow Galaxy to get his signature when he felt he was surplus to requirements.

With Man U, he had plenty of MOM displays, but lets be fair, it's difficult for ANY player to take a game by the scruff of the neck when you are playing next to the likes of Keane/Scholes/Cantona/RVN/Giggs. He more than held his own though. Overrated maybe. definitely not a brick footballer. Lastly, I am not a 'mong' ;)

No. Maybe a mouth breather but I can't be sure!! ;)
 
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People comparing Beckham to Best now!! Unreal.

Again, how has Beckham attained such a hero status in England? Before anyone says, I know he scored a great goal against Greece, were reminded of it all the time! But what has he done for England that's any better than the likes of Terry, Shearer, Owen, Gerrard, Ferdinand etc who are all part of England teams that were deemed either not good enough or flops if you want to go to extremes? He's got to a quarter final, no further. Wasn't he meant to be one of our best players? Why does Rooney get caned for not performing in tournaments and yet Beckham skates?

Got sent off in one knockout game, gave the ball away which lead to a goal in a quarter final, and missed a penalty in a shootout in another.

Someone please explain to me what separates from the England players who have all flopped at tournaments?

And all this "England's most capped outfielder" gonads, who cares about most capped outfielder? No other country celebrates this. They just celebrate their best and most capped players, no matter what their position is.


We call Redknapp a media kitten but Golden Balls is the biggest of the lot, never has a man with so little talent got so much adulation from the media. He has the best promotional team in the business that's for sure.
 
So, let me get this right:

-You quote Best who criticises Beckham for, amongst other things, pace and dribbling. Stuff which Best was good at, Beckham was not.
-I point out that it's not fair to judge a player on attributes which are not their primary skill, I try and help you out understanding this by showing examples of players who are world class who don't share those attributes. For example, Buffon who is a goalkeeper for the Italian national football team, has never shown that he can dribble a ball well, but it widely accepted as being world class.
-I go on to suggest that ONE ATTRIBUTE which you CAN compare all players with, all players, any player, is their mental strength. I think this is quite important in the game, I think I gave a reasonable account on how Beckham has coped well with challenges. (I'd be most interested by the way to hear what evidence you might be able to offer that George Best had any kind of willpower because from where I'm standing, he tinkled it all up the wall before he was 25). I'm not the one trying to judge players on attributes which are irrelevant, yet I'm the one getting called stupid? Nice one.

Look, I've had the whole George Best argument before, I swim against the tide as far as he's concerned and I know that the majority of people think he was the greatest player in the UK ever etc etc etc and to be honest, I know I probably ought to walk away from this one because I'll always be vastly outnumbered on this. My big gripe with him is mainly because I think he simply did not have the strength of character to put his ability to anywhere near its potential, in the same way that Bostock and Tarabat could well be the most talented players for Spurs over the last twenty years but ultimately we will probably never know because they dont have the mentality to make it work. The top level in Best's day was International football and he was anonymous there. Yes, he played for a mediocre team but if he was that good he would have made an impact. A career is 16,17 years in football, 4 or even 5 World Cups and if he was good enough he would have got Northern Ireland to at least one finals.

If I were to go down the route of compare Best as a complete player, well, maybe I'd start with Maradona. For those who say Best is up there with him and Pele, look how Maradona battled his demons, lost, fought back, lost, fought back. Still a passionate football man trying to impact the game with Boca, Argentina. He led an average team to World Cup victory, he dominated that tournament. He won league titles in very foreign countries, for teams who had been starved of success. How does Bestie compare to that?

Part of being a bloody good player is coping with being a bloody good player and Best couldn't, so he isn't. For me, Best will be found wanting compared to any other man who managed to cope with a 20 year career in football, showbiz, or anything else to be honest. We all have our stresses, we deal with it. Here we go, bring on the flames but to be honest, finding out that that ridculous quote came from probably the biggest failure in the British game makes my blood boil.

Wow, you really do have a problem with Best don't you. Needless to say i disagree with you completly.
 
Goddamnit. Was hoping he'd get to train with the rest of the lads, adapt to the new tactical systems the new manager will surely employ. Now it looks like he'll have a bedding-in period at the start of the season.

Ah, well. At least he won't be burnt out after playing in those poxy Olympic games.
 
That was me. There is no way D-Beck would've been able to get past any sort of press without being hounded for an answer to how 'he felt about not being picked'. It's magnified because of who he is. If Gerrard (just an example) was earmarked to be in the squad and wasn't picked, he would have been hounded too. But he's not a 'global superstar' like Beckham, so the furore behind the 'for' and 'against' crew wouldn't have been as heated.

Why would the press be asking him about something which hadn't been announced? There was no announcement made to press? There was no announcement made by Pearce or Olympic body? The press had no idea beckham hadn't been picked and shouldn't have known until Pearce announced his squad this coming week but beckham felt the need to go running to them and announce he wasn't picked selfish decision imo
 
No. Maybe a mouth breather but I can't be sure!! ;)

Beckham had offers from Europe. He should have played at the top level but instead took the money. I've actually got more time for drogba, anelka etc because they ain't spouting no brick about promoting "soccer" I'm china.
 
Beckham had offers from Europe. He should have played at the top level but instead took the money. I've actually got more time for drogba, anelka etc because they ain't spouting no brick about promoting "soccer" I'm china.


I thought it was more Posh Spice wanting to live in America that made the decision ;)
 
he's 36/37, not going to play to a great standard so at that age Id take the money and continue to promote myself as a sexy geezer and role model in the states.

and yes, I love Beckham

Milan would have had him and the game suits older players over there

I bet you like Andy Murray as well!!
 
I know. I know. And it's something I can never take back..... #-o



Just to put my final two-pennies worth (I've realised I've been more vocal in a thread about Beckham than any Spurs-related thread on here, ever!!). A few of you have questioned his ability and how he's never 'taken a game by the scruff of the neck'. THAT game against Greece, it wasn't just about his free-kick, which was mind-blowing in itself in such a high-pressure situation. He DID take that game by the scruff of the neck. He was everywhere. He got us the result we needed in that game, pure and simple.

After being dropped not just from the first 11 but from the RM squad by Capello, who told the press he wouldn't be picking Beckham again, hence his decision to sign a pre-contract with Galaxy, his performances in training prompted Capello to re-think his decision. Becks got back in the team and was instrumental in Madrid going on to win the title. If memory serves, Capello even back-tracked and said he regretted his decision to not only drop Beckham, but to allow Galaxy to get his signature when he felt he was surplus to requirements.

With Man U, he had plenty of MOM displays, but lets be fair, it's difficult for ANY player to take a game by the scruff of the neck when you are playing next to the likes of Keane/Scholes/Cantona/RVN/Giggs. He more than held his own though. Overrated maybe. definitely not a brick footballer. Lastly, I am not a 'mong' ;)

I never said he was brick, just overrated.

I woild never question his desire, work rate and professionalism and he strikes me as one of the English footballers who really does give a damn about the national team so hats off to him for that.

I think he gets far more credit than he deserves for Madrid winning the title. He only played 23 games the season they won the league so he was hardly instrumental.

Ok yes the Greece game, name some other performances of note since then?

You seem like a reasonable poster so I'll ask you this directly as all the pro Beckham people have dodged the question so far. What makes him any different to the list of England players (Gerrard, Terry, Lampard, Rooney, Shearer) who have never got past a quarter final in a tournament and Rooney's performances especially have been highlighted as not being good enough? Why does Beckham get with away with it but the other players are all seen as flops for their country? Just because he has more caps than the other players from 06, 02, 04, 08 etc, why does that exempt him from criticism? Has he ever played exceptionally for England in a knockout game or had a great tournament either at the Euros or the World Cup?
 
I think he gets far more credit than he deserves for Madrid winning the title. He only played 23 games the season they won the league so he was hardly instrumental.

Just on this point - as far as I remember wasn't that the season when Beckham was effectively frozen out by Capello because he announced that he was going to the US? Madrid were off the pace when he was brought back into the team, and they went on a pretty good run to come back and win the title. Even Capello said at the time that Beckham was a major part of that title win, and there were suggestions that he wanted him to stay but the club president didn't push for Beckham to change his mind..
 
Just on this point - as far as I remember wasn't that the season when Beckham was effectively frozen out by Capello because he announced that he was going to the US? Madrid were off the pace when he was brought back into the team, and they went on a pretty good run to come back and win the title. Even Capello said at the time that Beckham was a major part of that title win, and there were suggestions that he wanted him to stay but the club president didn't push for Beckham to change his mind..

Basically, Beckham is the nuts and is a hero wherever he has been. He should be knighted for his services to the World and given the key to everywhere.
 
Just on this point - as far as I remember wasn't that the season when Beckham was effectively frozen out by Capello because he announced that he was going to the US? Madrid were off the pace when he was brought back into the team, and they went on a pretty good run to come back and win the title. Even Capello said at the time that Beckham was a major part of that title win, and there were suggestions that he wanted him to stay but the club president didn't push for Beckham to change his mind..

The Beckham PR machine wins again!

To everybody in England, he single handedley won La Liga for Real. Nothing to do with Van Nisterlrooy's 26 goals that season.
 
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