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21 of Van Nistelrooys (meh never gonna know how to spell it even ifi I google it) goals were set up by Beckham didn't you know?
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O/T Olympic Football 2012
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21 of Van Nistelrooys (meh never gonna know how to spell it even ifi I google it) goals were set up by Beckham didn't you know?
Leeds Spur
Banned
Seems reasonable. And he has a gay squeaky voice. The man can do no wrong!!!
:ross: sorry have to laugh at people for whom every arguement has to be about extremes.... I'm just remembering how it was at the time, and he was a major influence.... Davids had a similar impact when he first went to Barcelona.... influencial players in midfield who get the team playing again.
7percent
Pascal Chimbonda
fudge it. England/Britain is not of a high enough standard to win jack brick. We should accept that and play Beckham just because it'll make everybody happy. He might even score a free kick cementing britain's place in the quarter finals before we swiftly get dispatched by *insert team name here*
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Fair comment. I wasn't aware that the squad hadn't been announced yet.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
He shouldn't get away with it. He was as instrumental as anyone in the 'Golden Generation' for failing to really make a mark on the international stage. I can't decide whether it was just rotten luck, bad tactics or the fact that these players just weren't as good as we thought they were/were made out to be. He did receive criticism if I remember correctly, and especially as Captain there was a lot of pressure put on him in the press for 'failing' to lead the team correctly.
However, you are absolutely correct to say that he has probably gotten off lightly compared to the other England lads of that generation. And herein lies the rub, the man's management team have handled him superbly, according to the missus a lot of that has to do with Posh as she was/is very instrumental in how the media positively portrays him. So I can see why he can get negative comments on here because he is a PR dream but to a lot of football fans he is overhyped and overrated (and to some like myself, I happily admit he can do no wrong in my eyes!)
I have to admit I can't remember an England game at a major tournament where he has played 'exceptionally well'. However, he is in the all-time list of assist-makers at World Cups, so he has made a decent contribution to English teams at championships.
I hope that answers some of the questions?
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If this hadn't been released until the official announcement was made, then the coverage that we're seeing now would have completely drown out any stories relating the squad that had been picked.
Yes, no doubt a large number of questions at next week's press conference will still be about Beckham, but they have taken the sting out of it by doing it a week early. The fa will have had no problem with the timing of Beckham's press release.
Bellamy releasing details of his inclusion weeks ago was more selfish in my view.
I disagree with this bit, the way Beckham has been treated by 'fans' during his international career has seen the biggest possible extremes of positive and negative.
After the World Cup in '98 he was blamed to the point of there being effigies of him being hanged. The abuse that he used to get both playing for Utd and on England duty for a couple of years was multiple times worse than any of the others got/get. He received as much blame as anyone at Euro 2000.
Then comes the Greece game on the way to the World Cup in '02 and a perfect media story of redemption. He's a national hero. Beckham is one of the few players to have a decent tournament, despite being injured in the build up which leads to the national becoming aware of what a metatarsal is.
2004 he again took as much blame as anyone else, particularly due to missing a penalty in the shootout. In 2006 general opinion was that he was past it, and that England needed pace through either Lennon or Wrigh-Philips. Eriksson was heavily criticised when he kept playing Beckham. After the tournament there were widespread calls for him to retire rather than be pushed.
Mclaren initially drops him, but is forced into a recall through a combination of injuries and desperation. By this point nobody has any expectations of Beckham, he comes in with a couple of cameos but England fail to qualify for Euro 2008. No real blame for him as he's supposedly past it.
Capello get's the job and openly admits that he picked him as someone that he had worked with before and for his leadership skills. Beckham isn't a first choice and made a lot of subs appearances. Injured on loan at Milan before the World Cup... England playing career over, but goes to the tournamnet as a celebrity cheerleader, and as an attempt to soften the players' dislike of Capello's tough regime.
Most football fans I know don't particularly like 'celebrity culture' and the way it's portrayed in the media - which is why Beckham gets criticism for his 'brand'. However, if looking purely at football I don't think he hasn't got off lightly at all.
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Hully
Tony Parks
Los Angeles Galaxy vs. Vancouver Whitecaps: Rating David Beckham's Performance
By Jo-Ryan Salazar (Senior Analyst) on June 24, 2012 333 reads 0
The work by the supporting cast took a lot of burden off David Beckham's shoulders but it did impact his rating.
Ho hum. That's all it was. It was simply another ho hum performance for midfielder David Beckham as the Los Angeles Galaxy rolled to a 3-0 shutout victory over the Vancouver Whitecaps at the Home Depot Center in Carson, Calif. on Saturday.
Nothing too fancy, nothing too outstanding, just regular workmanlike football from a player who has worked all his life to get to where he is today. But sometimes having a ho hum performance isn't so bad if you have a solid supporting cast to back you up.
Three of those members—Landon Donovan, Mike Magee, and Robbie Keane—were the stars of the show. Oh yes, and Juninho's efforts in closing space and winning second balls were commendable. The effort by those players reduced the work that Beckham needed to do as a provider.
He had a number of set piece opportunities that just didn't materialize the way he wanted to. Had at least one them gone through, perhaps the rating for Becks may have been improved. Also, Beckham picked up a yellow and did have some words with referee Allen Chapman.
The thing about this is that this might be the situation Beckham faces as a member of Team Great Britain. The Olympic Football Tournament from the men's perspective is about the kids. They are the stars of the show.
David Beckham is going to generally have these types of ho hum performances and get away with them in London because he can rely on the young players to do the work and help Team GB's cause.
All in all, this was a night in which Beckham didn't have to do too much because the supporting cast lifted the burden for him. It was all a matter of creating plays and generating set piece opportunities—otherwise knows as "par for the course."
Rating: 6.5/10
By Jo-Ryan Salazar (Senior Analyst) on June 24, 2012 333 reads 0
The work by the supporting cast took a lot of burden off David Beckham's shoulders but it did impact his rating.
Ho hum. That's all it was. It was simply another ho hum performance for midfielder David Beckham as the Los Angeles Galaxy rolled to a 3-0 shutout victory over the Vancouver Whitecaps at the Home Depot Center in Carson, Calif. on Saturday.
Nothing too fancy, nothing too outstanding, just regular workmanlike football from a player who has worked all his life to get to where he is today. But sometimes having a ho hum performance isn't so bad if you have a solid supporting cast to back you up.
Three of those members—Landon Donovan, Mike Magee, and Robbie Keane—were the stars of the show. Oh yes, and Juninho's efforts in closing space and winning second balls were commendable. The effort by those players reduced the work that Beckham needed to do as a provider.
He had a number of set piece opportunities that just didn't materialize the way he wanted to. Had at least one them gone through, perhaps the rating for Becks may have been improved. Also, Beckham picked up a yellow and did have some words with referee Allen Chapman.
The thing about this is that this might be the situation Beckham faces as a member of Team Great Britain. The Olympic Football Tournament from the men's perspective is about the kids. They are the stars of the show.
David Beckham is going to generally have these types of ho hum performances and get away with them in London because he can rely on the young players to do the work and help Team GB's cause.
All in all, this was a night in which Beckham didn't have to do too much because the supporting cast lifted the burden for him. It was all a matter of creating plays and generating set piece opportunities—otherwise knows as "par for the course."
Rating: 6.5/10
6.5/10 in a Sunday pub league bravo David Truely proving your worth
Leeds Spur
Banned
The criticism went too far. But he acted like a petulant child and cost England the match. That is the reality.
That was the press trying to cover for their own idiocy.
Hoddle told everyone that whilst Beckham was talented, he wasn't mature enough for the World Cup. Trouble was, he was the poster boy of the England campaign, so the press pressured Hoddle into taking him.
Hoddle was proved right, so the press shifted the blame onto the player they insisted was given a chance. Disgusting behaviour.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Yeah, because rating a player over the course of one single game is truly representative...
Leeds Spur
Banned
People do the same over the goal against Greece.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-defender-ledley-king-fears-947006
'Meanwhile Jake Livermore is *joining the list of absentees from the Team GB Olympic squad.
The Tottenham player, 22, was expected to be named in Stuart Pearce’s 18-man squad tomorrow.
But Spurs are concerned about the lack of midfield options for the start of the Premier League season.
But the most ironic *absence at White Hart Lane will be that of Brazilian *Sandro.
He cannot join pre-season games for his club because he has been selected for Brazil’s *Olympic squad.
Unlike the home *associations, Brazil make attendance for their *Olympic squad obligatory.'
Not exactly a reliable source though..
'Meanwhile Jake Livermore is *joining the list of absentees from the Team GB Olympic squad.
The Tottenham player, 22, was expected to be named in Stuart Pearce’s 18-man squad tomorrow.
But Spurs are concerned about the lack of midfield options for the start of the Premier League season.
But the most ironic *absence at White Hart Lane will be that of Brazilian *Sandro.
He cannot join pre-season games for his club because he has been selected for Brazil’s *Olympic squad.
Unlike the home *associations, Brazil make attendance for their *Olympic squad obligatory.'
Not exactly a reliable source though..
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
I agree that the criticism he got after the 98 World Cup was obscene.
But I still think he has gotten off lightly to say the very least.
He has scored goals in tournaments, but he has never played consistently well in a tournament.
He's taken criticism from the media, but this doesn't seem to matter to most fans as I regularly hear people say Beckham is one of our greatest ever players. No England player who has failed to get past a quarter final should be anywhere the top 10 or possibly top 20 greatest ever England players.
He's never had a great performance in a knockout game. You will probably say well no England player in the last 20 years has, but that is exactly my point! He has done no better or no worse than the players who have failed to get past a quarter final for England.
If you look at the way England have exited from tournaments, I personally wouldn't put too much blame on the defence. You could find goals where certain defenders have been at fault, Upson against Germany for example, but on the whole, the back five have kept us in tournaments probably for longer than we should have been. I blame the midfield for our exit in most tournaments, the failure to create chances, not being able to hold onto the ball etc. I'm not putting all the blame on Beckham, but it's a collective effort and he deserves his share.
Great Britain men's football squad for the London 2012 Olympics:
GKs: Jack Butland (Birmingham), Jason Steele (Middlesbrough)
Defenders: Bertrand (Chelsea), Caulker (Tottenham), Dawson (West Brom), Richards (Emirates Marketing Project), Taylor (Swansea), Tomkins (West Ham)
Midfielders: Allen (Swansea), Cleverley (Man United), Cork (Southampton), Giggs (Manchester United), Ramsey (Arsenal), Rose (Tottenham)
Forwards: Sinclair (Swansea); Bellamy (Liverpool), Sordell (Bolton), Sturridge (Chelsea)
GKs: Jack Butland (Birmingham), Jason Steele (Middlesbrough)
Defenders: Bertrand (Chelsea), Caulker (Tottenham), Dawson (West Brom), Richards (Emirates Marketing Project), Taylor (Swansea), Tomkins (West Ham)
Midfielders: Allen (Swansea), Cleverley (Man United), Cork (Southampton), Giggs (Manchester United), Ramsey (Arsenal), Rose (Tottenham)
Forwards: Sinclair (Swansea); Bellamy (Liverpool), Sordell (Bolton), Sturridge (Chelsea)
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indianspur
Guest
3 of Swansea's best players....oh dear