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New Stadium and Training Ground - Pg 104 Northumberland Park master plan

Sheikh Ma Nuggets said:
Is a matter of weeks really a big deal though, to you - as a fan?

It's not as if we're being evicted from Chigwell and won't have any place to train.
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It's the excitement, really. I'd hoped for a new beginning, the facility being introduced as early as possible so our entire pre-season could be spent acclimatizing to the massively improved facilities, and showing off the place to the new recruits. The news that it's likely to be delayed, coming along with the drawn-out stadium process and the agonizing wait for the new announcement of the new manager, is rather saddening in that regard.

I know Levy and the club are doing the best they can, but...goddamnit, it wouldn't be delayed if it were an expansion to Carrington, or a new Abramovich-funded facility on the outskirts of the metrop.

Build, boys, build!
 
DubaiSpur said:
It's the excitement, really. I'd hoped for a new beginning, the facility being introduced as early as possible so our entire pre-season could be spent acclimatizing to the massively improved facilities, and showing off the place to the new recruits. The news that it's likely to be delayed, coming along with the drawn-out stadium process and the agonizing wait for the new announcement of the new manager, is rather saddening in that regard.

I know Levy and the club are doing the best they can, but...goddamnit, it wouldn't be delayed if it were an expansion to Carrington, or a new Abramovich-funded facility on the outskirts of the metrop.

Build, boys, build!
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There's slippage on all projects. The UK has experienced 3mths of very unusually wet weather; if you're in the process of building, brick weather isn't what you want - but it's unavoidable. I think that, as long as the project is exceptional at the end of it, it's not really an issue how long it takes to get there. And we're not talking months here, just a few weeks.

I'm still excited: new training ground is 99% done, stadium - albeit a slow-burner - is moving ahead and a new manager soon to be instilled. And all of that is before we discuss transfer targets. Think it's exciting times to be a Spurs fan; no need to be despondent at all.
 
andros townsend @andros_townsend

For all of you asking we are hopefully moving to the new training ground at the end of the month #looksamazing
 
Really? Disgraceful if true. It's one of the pillars of a football club for me, you own your stadium and training ground. Sounds like a dodgy deal he did for his own benefit when he was chairman.
 
P.D. said:
Hmm if true then I'm guessing we were hoping for 125 - 150m say over 10 years and we perhaps got between 150-200m.

Assuming other quotes figures are true then thats pretty much the 400m raised made up of:

80-90 already spent and accounted for in club accounts buying up all the required land
5-15m on planning permission and design already spent
80m coming from Sainsburys (this figure sounds ridiculous to me but I've seen it in several places)
175m from naming rights to be in the middle.

Thats about 350m there already and I guess money would also come in from the flats as well.
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based on this logic does that mean we won't be relying on any bank loans ?

that would be an incredible piece of work from Levy and would mean we would see the financial benefits from the moment we move in ?
 
billyiddo said:
based on this logic does that mean we won't be relying on any bank loans ?

that would be an incredible piece of work from Levy and would mean we would see the financial benefits from the moment we move in ?
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we would still need a bank loan as I expect that the naming rights wouldn't be paid upfront unless Levy pulls of some more genius but most of the debt would be serviceable and coupled with additional income and new tv rights deal will mean our finances would be fairly similar to now bit probably slightly better.

Worth noting that Arsenal got a very low amount of 150m for shirt and stadium sponsorship combined because they were paid in cash up front. Only the Saudis or Qatar would have that sort of cash spare these days, maybe Brunei as well.

I'm guessing news will be out within a month or so. Could even involve sponsorship of training ground.
 
Swansea City are ready to press on with ambitious expansion plans to transform their Liberty home into a 32,000-seater stadium.

The Swans are set to launch into a formal planning process within weeks that would see an extra 11,500 fans able to watch Premier League football in South Wales.

And they have been told they have the backing of the local council to see the dream of expanding the Liberty a reality.

But chairman Huw Jenkins has admitted the club won’t risk giving a final green light on the project – that could cost as much as £15m – until an unprecedented third season in the top flight looks like a reality.

Swansea enter their second campaign among the top-20 elite, matching the two terms enjoyed by John Toshack’s class of 1981.

But, after a second year of maximum season ticket sales, club officials are keen to ensure a potential third term is seen by more than the 20,600 fans who can currently attend games.

Plans to increase the seven-year-old ground’s capacity have been mooted for a year, but stepped up in February when planning permission for a McDonalds franchise in close proximity to the Liberty was granted, threatening future expansions.

The fast food giant backed down from those plans last month – and the Swans are ready to make the most of the opportunity.

Jenkins claims the club are close to submitting a formal planning application to add extra seats on three sides of the ground, owned by the council and run by a three-way company involving the Swans, the local authority and the Ospreys regional rugby side.

Swansea council officials have told the Western Mail they have held preliminary talks about the expansion, with the new leader saying they are supportive of the idea.

But, even if planning permission is granted, Jenkins has admitted the club would hold off on the final go-ahead until the new year in order to see whether a third year at the top is likely.

“It’s something that’s on-going,” said Jenkins of the expansion plans. “We are pushing ahead to get planning permission submitted, which we haven’t yet. All that will progress.

“We will put in the application as soon as we can before the start of the season.

“Looking at timescales to start work, we would need to see how we are going after January 2013 and we can start moving and put some dates in.

“But it will hinge on us being competitive and staying in the Premier League next season. That is our ultimate aim.”

A new TV deal with significantly increased broadcast payments kicks in for the 2013 season – including a potential base-rate payment of £60m – and would easily help Swansea cope with the costs of such a bold project.

But the club know they have to move now to be in position to take advantage of that security, with a Swansea council confirming early talks have been held.

A Swansea council spokesman said : “We are working closely with the club to determine how the Liberty Stadium can be expanded.

“No planning application has been received, but our officers have held pre-application discussions with the Swans to identify what would be required and we look forward to receiving an application.”

Cllr David Phillips, Swansea Council leader, added: “We are very supportive of Swansea City FC and very much value the contribution their achievements are making to both the city and the wider Swansea Bay area.

“That is why Labour gave a very clear commitment in its election manifesto to support the redevelopment and expansion of the Liberty Stadium to match the Swans’ Premier League status and ambition.”

Jenkins revealed the club’s preferred option for planning permission would be for three sides of the bowl-designed arena – the south, north and east – but remained open to whether work would commence in stages or would see all three developed at once, although he did state there would be no reduction in capacity during construction.

The work would bring the capacity up to 32,000 – and up to closer to the Premier League average. As it stands, only QPR’s Loftus Road has a smaller capacity than the Liberty while redevelopment would take Swansea past Reading, Wigan, Norwich, Stoke, West Brom and Fulham.

Swansea have sold their maximum permitted season ticket sales again this year, leaving just 10% allotted for away fans and 10% ‘walk-up’ sales as per Premier rules with every game last season being a sell-out.

Increasing the capacity would allow Swansea to increase matchday revenues, although it is known that the club’s board of directors – fans themselves – are just as concerned with not alienating the scores of Swansea fans currently unable to watch their side in Premier League action.

The club are also aware of the need to build a legacy from their time at the top, ensuring off-the-field facilities and infrastructure keep pace with the strides being made on the field.

That will include youth systems – who are aiming to achieve category two academy status – and training facilities with work at Landore and due to start at Fairwood shortly.

Jenkins revealed new manager Michael Laudrup has seen the training facilities at Llandarcy as well as the work for new sites, with Landore being ready for first-team use in mid-September.

Previous boss Brendan Rodgers had often criticised the club’s use of shared facilities last season, including changing in a public gym and borrowing the Ospreys 3G training pitch, while players have also been left frustrated.

But Jenkins said: “Significant improvements have been made over the close season on the playing surface at Llandarcy. Michael is happy with the facilities he’s seen there on the back of the on-going works at Landore and Fairwood.”

“The Landore site, which will also be available for junior, youth and community use, has undergone major pitch renovations and the introduction of a new all-weather pitch and a modern facility to house changing rooms, offices, function rooms, parents room, classrooms, treatment rooms and cafe are progressing really well and are due for completion in mid-September.

“Work at Fairwood is due to start shortly on renovating all the pitches and existing changing facilities, offices and cafe area. This work will continue over the next 18 months to two years and we are due to issue a full statement in partnership with Swansea University shortly.

“Improving the overall training facilities at the club has been a priority for some time. Unfortunately projects of this magnitude are often complicated and take time to implement.

“It’s been frustrating at times, but I’m pleased to say that the recent progress has been very encouraging and we are all very excited about the future.”

www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/07/01/91466-31299151/
 
P.D. said:
we would still need a bank loan as I expect that the naming rights wouldn't be paid upfront unless Levy pulls of some more genius but most of the debt would be serviceable and coupled with additional income and new tv rights deal will mean our finances would be fairly similar to now bit probably slightly better.

Worth noting that Arsenal got a very low amount of 150m for shirt and stadium sponsorship combined because they were paid in cash up front. Only the Saudis or Qatar would have that sort of cash spare these days, maybe Brunei as well.

I'm guessing news will be out within a month or so. Could even involve sponsorship of training ground.
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Arsenal only received a proportion of the total paid up front. And the total wasn't £150 million. It was only £90-100 million for 15 years stadium naming rights and 8 years shirt sponsorship.

Based on their commercial value, their shirt sponsorship alone should have been worth in the region of £15 million per annum - or £120 million over 8 years.

So it was a terrible deal for them - subsequently tacitly acknowledged.
 
Leeds Spur said:
Really? Disgraceful if true. It's one of the pillars of a football club for me, you own your stadium and training ground. Sounds like a dodgy deal he did for his own benefit when he was chairman.
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I hadn't heard that Sugar owned Spurs Lodge. I think it unlikely, personally.

But, if true, there's nothing wrong or unusual about it. I doubt that Spurs have been paying anything other than a commercial rent. Furthermore, if it's true, then we haven't owned our training ground since the old Cheshunt site was redeveloped back in the 80's. Chase Loge was rented. And, in case you weren't aware, we only have much of the land on the new Bulls Cross site on a 75 year lease from Enfield council.
 
Leeds Spur said:
Yeah and I disagree. These are key assets the club should own.
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I don't think that "should" comes into it. So long as the teams at various age groups have access to top quality training facilities, it doesn't really matter whether or not the club owns its training ground.

After all, Spurs searched unsuccessfully for a site for the new training ground for a number of years before settling on leasing the Bulls Cross site - pretty much the only viable option. Far better to lease the land for this fantastic new facility than, say, to own an inferior, smaller facility.
 
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