Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
So was just aiming to get an improved deal from Feyenoord then?
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New New Manager Poll (The Lets Get It Right This Time Edition)
- Thread starter Gutter Boy
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That's where my head is too if we can land Potter before he signs for Nice. Potter then Rodgers then Ange P
Still hoping that there is someone who has been overlooked, or who suddenly frees up, but it you look at the long-lists at bookies (and ignoring the odds) I'm not holding out much hope
Somewhat irrelevant. Good thing is that is done. We move on (unfortunately)
So basically we were never seriously interested in him, and never even asked about a fee for his services - straight from the horses mouth. Is that enough evidence?! Some will still argue against this I'm sure....
tommysvr
Simon Davies
I imagine the line will now be "how could we not even make them an offer! He was the best candidate!" etc, despite no one knowing anything about him 3 months ago.
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
Not really irrelevant in the context of anyone complaining that we wouldn't agree a fee with Feyenoord. Makes sense if Slot/his agent weren't coming across as wholly interested.
But yes, better now than time wasted.
Shame as it did sound like he could have been a good fit.
Agreed. Seemed like he could have been a good fit - attacking manager, some history of success, probably wouldnt need/want Levy to find £200m for transfers, personality seems quite engaging so someone fans would like etc
3 days ago more like
He could be right, but then again he may not be right. The things that get posted on Twitter and other social media 99% of the time is people ranting about something, football, politics whatever. Then others pick up on it and post something similar and it's just a brickshow with no facts behind anything that is said. Then it's 100 people have posted it on twitter so it must be fact.
Finney may have talked to someone in football but (nothing against Finney) I'm not putting much weight in what some minor agent claims he's heard. Again, he may be right but then again it could be just someone trying to make themselves out to be in the know.
If you look at the press they have so many stories that contradict each other and often there's contradictions in the same piece. Everyone picks what suits their agenda and runs with that and we end up with extremes, in this case everything is Levy's fault or it's everyone else's fault. The truth is most likely somewhere in the middle but bad news gets more attention so most of the press is going to paint a picture of doom and gloom.
The only thing that matters here is the outcome. If we get the right structures in place, recruit a decent DoF and manager it makes no difference what brick the Vagas of the world or the press spout.
Mr Gogolak
Noé Pamarot
The feeling I got at the time was that we either badgered Conte until he signed or he realised there was nothing else for him at the time. It went well enough at first so I don't really question is professionalism. Quite the opposite, in fact.
A long time ago, Hajduk Split appointed a Croatian manager who had made a career in Spain. He stayed for one day. He had one training session, asked a ball boy to put the equipment away at the end of the session and the kid told him: 'Why don't you do it yourself, since it's your idea'. He resigned the same day, doesn't even appear in the list of former managers and gave an interview in which he basically said: 'Sorry, I can't do that anymore'.
When you're used to a certain standard or environment, sometimes, it's difficult to go back. If you're used to working on a computer, a typewriter might not have the same appeal. Maybe Dier was Conte's typewriter...
We will find a manager, there's no doubt about that. Will this manager command the respect of the players, that's another matter though. We all saw what happened with Nuno, not to mention Gross. But I agree that we need to find a manager who fits in with where we are the moment, ie the beginning of a cycle.
At the start of the negotiations Levy had him sign a gagging order that he had to say all that if things broke down
Mr Gogolak
Noé Pamarot
Of course, Vega could be wrong. What's interesting is that many people with no connection to each other make similar comments. It's by no means a proof (we will never have one) but, for me, it means it's something that could be worth considering.
I was about to say I disagree with your comment about the outcome but, looking at it again, I think we're closer than I think. The methodology is the important thing. You can reach a desirable outcome every once in a while, even with a wrong method. What we're looking for is a method that would allow us to get it right most of the time. That's why I think some people at the club should be questioning the way they go about their business.
I don't live in England so I could be wrong but look at Chelsea's situation. They're certainly a much bigger story than Spurs: horrible season and sacked their manager a couple of weeks after we did. Do you see the same kind of stories about them?
Goes without saying that if they start the season without a manager and we have Pochettino and Nagelsmann on the bench, you will be proved right but I dare say that doesn't look like the most probable outcome at the moment (although I'd be more than happy to eat a good slice of humble pie in August!).
The methodology is important that's why I mentioned getting the right structures in place as well as a Dof and manager. Abandoning the DoF to please Poch was a big mistake and we're seeing that now. As a result our structures aren't what they should be. With those in place hopefully we'll be sticking to the same sort of manager in the future and have some continuity.
Chelsea are even a bigger basket case than us. We (certainly I) don't notice the Chelsea stories, just give them a casual glance, it's the Spurs stories that we notice so it seems a bigger focus on us. Every club thinks the media has an agenda against them.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
20 million is not high if you are paying for a Pep or Klopp or Ancelotti. It is, however, when you are paying for a manager unproven outside the Eredivisie. Feyenoord could have actually asked for even more, given how much value Slot has generated for them in terms of player valuations and revenue in terms of CL qualification. And how much more revenue he had the potential of generating.
If it was me, I would have paid the 20 million to get him in, but that would have been based on the information I have about him. What I don't know, and what no one knows, is what the actual list of pros and cons Spurs had compiled on him were. Based on that list it may have clearly been a "No" for 20m. I also don't know, and no one else knows, if there were other candidates with similar pros and cons that would have cost less to get and maybe even less in terms of salary. We all know that it is impossible to guarantee any manager will be successful, bar a handful. So when you are making these types of decisions, where there is equal downside and equal upside to two or more options, your tiebreaker is the cost. Nothing strange about that and, assuming that this is how the manager search is being approached, it is not strange that we didn't pony up for Slot.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Luckily my 2 STs are already paid for (almost for the next 3 years actually) with me selling Spurs points at the point that Levy got rid of Conte. I might have a look to see if I can find a 23/24 market for the same as I think we’ll still likely be a brilliant sell on that.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
I suspect Pochettino told Levy he didn’t want to come back to Spurs. It is surely the only logical conclusion.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
No, it couldn't. Between Jose and Poch we maybe paid 10-15m to fire them. Conte probably another 1-2m. You think getting the players these managers wanted would have cost us 17m in fees and salaries??