New DoF?

[milo]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

But we had more of a strategy than offering every man and his dog 20p and a packet of Hubber Bubba at the start of the window and then going on holiday until Aug 31st.

Maybe that was because we were signing a different calibre of player back then with less competition for their signature.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

The pro DoF people just dismiss the fact that we were bottom of the league under the DoF structure, had an unbalanced squad and it led to numerous power struggles that have been well documented. But ALL of the good things we've achieved, people juts point to it and say look see the DoF got us 4th. I'm not having it.

If the DoF structure was an English idea, not one person on the board would be in favour of it.

We need better scouts and for Levy to pull his finger out of his arse and get deals done earlier, not a DoF.

My personal belief when I look at the world of football is that it's the same clubs at the top. It doesn't matter whether they have a DoF....or not. They'll still be top. Barca & Real will dominate the Spanish league regardless of whether they have a DoF or not, or the other teams have one or not.

A great DoF who has a great relationship with a manager, of course it will work. A bad one? It won't work as well. The reason I am against it is that it just adds another level of politics within a football club.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

But we had more of a strategy than offering every man and his dog 20p and a packet of Hubber Bubba at the start of the window and then going on holiday until Aug 31st.

I think you are glossing over history. Arnesen seemed to have direction. But under Comolli? Scattergun transfers, often buying players for big sums in positions we didn't need (and the players were no better than what we had) whilst ignoring key problem areas in the first XI. And yes, last minute deals still existed. Remember the whole Berbatov/Pav/Campbell fiasco was under the DoF structure.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

I think you are glossing over history. Arnesen seemed to have direction. But under Comolli? Scattergun transfers, often buying players for big sums in positions we didn't need (and the players were no better than what we had) whilst ignoring key problem areas in the first XI. And yes, last minute deals still existed. Remember the whole Berbatov/Pav/Campbell fiasco was under the DoF structure.

and who is the common denominator in all this with the last minute deals, DoF or not?

Levy

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

and who is the common denominator in all this with the last minute deals, DoF or not?

Levy

No argument from me. It just annoys me how people try and change history to suit an agenda or viewpoint. In fact it infuriates me. Our transfer dealings this Summer for example. Lloris was a coup, but hardly an unknown gem. Dembele, Sigurdsson and Dempsey would have all been considered MOTD players had Redknapp still been in charge but because it's AVB they are all genius signings. Verts we were after whilst Redknapp was still at the club (Redknapp even went over to watch him).

And under Comolli? Bentley, Bent etc. Surely MOTD signings? Under Arnesen, Davis, Carrick, Routledge....surely MOTD signings? People really do like to try and distort the cold hard facts.

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

I think you are glossing over history. Arnesen seemed to have direction. But under Comolli? Scattergun transfers, often buying players for big sums in positions we didn't need (and the players were no better than what we had) whilst ignoring key problem areas in the first XI. And yes, last minute deals still existed. Remember the whole Berbatov/Pav/Campbell fiasco was under the DoF structure.

Equally, there have been plenty of last minute transfer fiascos when Spurs have been operating without a DoF system.

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

and who is the common denominator in all this with the last minute deals, DoF or not?

Levy

Nail on head.

Nothing to do with the structure. Everything to do with the preferred strategy of the man at the top.

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

No argument from me. It just annoys me how people try and change history to suit an agenda or viewpoint. In fact it infuriates me. Our transfer dealings this Summer for example. Lloris was a coup, but hardly an unknown gem. Dembele, Sigurdsson and Dempsey would have all been considered MOTD players had Redknapp still been in charge but because it's AVB they are all genius signings. Verts we were after whilst Redknapp was still at the club (Redknapp even went over to watch him).

And under Comolli? Bentley, Bent etc. Surely MOTD signings? Under Arnesen, Davis, Carrick, Routledge....surely MOTD signings? People really do like to try and distort the cold hard facts.

Then you're being paranoid, imagining things and working yourself into a fury over nothing! I haven't seen anyone claiming that the players we've signed this summer couldn't or wouldn't have been signed by Harry, had he still been at the club.

 

[Fhtagn]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Who acknowledges them? Does Gutterboy ever respond when certain people challenge his views? He starts a thread that will rile people then fudges off and is nowhere to be seen.

In theory a DoF isn't the worst idea in the world, but we've seen first hand how it has lead to clashes with the managers at Spurs, that is why I am skeptical.

1. Redknapp is gone, he ain't coming back. But I want the manager, whoever it is to have final say on transfers.

2. I'm assuming the Sugar reference was just a throwaway comment.

GB is in a league of his own, including him in a post is done at your own risk.

Yeah, it was a throwaway comment, I had started to drink early yesterday, sorry.

 

[billyiddo]

Then you're being paranoid, imagining things and working yourself into a fury over nothing! I haven't seen anyone claiming that the players we've signed this summer couldn't or wouldn't have been signed by Harry, had he still been at the club.

Dunno about you but it annoys me how people try and change the post history on here to suit an agenda or viewpoint. In fact id say that it infuriates me

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Dunno about you but it annoys me how people try and change the post history on here to suit an agenda or viewpoint. In fact id say that it infuriates me

Don't be infuriated. Be amused.

Straw men are funny.

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

A little more on this. Doesn't mention Baldini specifically but it does talk about a "technical director" and has a brief quote (though it is in rather undecipherable AVB speak!) - which lends the whole thing a tad more plausibility.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...drew+Warshaw

AVB's revolution continues with Spurs technical director
By ANDREW WARSHAW
PUBLISHED: 21:29, 22 September 2012 | UPDATED: 21:29, 22 September 2012


Andre Villas-Boas is stepping up his Tottenham revolution with the imminent arrival of a Continental-style technical director as the old Harry Redknapp regime is dismantled.

Spurs recently moved into a new £45million training ground and Villas-Boas, having already changed playing staff, is on the verge of adding a senior figure to his backroom team.

Villas-Boas worked with a technical director at Academica and Porto and is keen to apply the same strategy at Spurs where the whole modus operandi has changed in weeks. He said: 'The structures that surround the club are dependent on the chairman but I'd certainly promote. There are ongoing discussions.'

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Ah....this is better. From the Telegraph (and by Jason Burt, who is pretty well in with Spurs). Much more meat on the bone:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ball-to-work-alongside-Andre-Villas-Boas.html

Tottenham Hotspur hope to appoint Franco Baldini as director of football to work alongside Andre Villas-Boas
Tottenham Hotspur are to appoint a director of football to work alongside head coach Andre Villas-Boas with Franco Baldini the outstanding candidate.

By Jason Burt11:00PM BST 22 Sep 2012

Chairman Daniel Levy is convinced that the new structure is the way ahead for the Premier League club and will be another show of faith in the new head coach.

Spurs sources have dismissed any suggestion that Villas-Boas is under pressure and are hugely impressed by the way he has gone about his job and helping re-organise the club.

On Sunday Spurs face Queens Park Rangers at home in the Premier League with Brad Friedel returning in goal, after another fine display in the 3-1 victory over Reading last weekend, to replace new signing Hugo Lloris who had featured in the 0-0 draw against Lazio in the Europa League on Thursday.

Baldini, who was Fabio Capello’s number two with England, is a strong contender for the role but Spurs will have to work hard to lure him from his present role at AS Roma.

Baldini has a good relationship with Villas-Boas — and had wanted to take him to Roma, where he is general manager — before the Portuguese was appointed by Chelsea last year.

Indeed Chelsea sources have claimed that Villas-Boas recommended the club employ Baldini as their own director of football. Instead Roman Abramovich elevated the former scout, Michael Emanalo who has overseen this summer’s £80 million spending spree.

Tim Sherwood, currently Spurs’ technical co-ordinator, and one of the few to survive the backroom staff following the sacking of Harry Redknapp as manager, has been lobbying hard to become the new director of football.

However he’s not understood to be a serious candidate given his lack of experience in the role. If he is overlooked it is understood Sherwood could consider his position.

If Spurs did manage to hire Baldini it would represent a real coup and a serious sign of intent that the club wants to become a power in European football.

Levy has been overseeing transfers, and Spurs have undergone a busier than expected summer of change during the last window, but he has also always favoured the system of a head coach working alongside a director of football.

That system was abandoned when Redknapp was employed in 2008 following the sacking of Juande Ramos and the dismissal of Damien Comolli, who was director of football, but with the arrival of Villas-Boas it is set to be reinstated.

He is wholly comfortable with the structure having worked under similar regimes with the two clubs he has coached in Portugal — Academica and Porto, where enjoyed huge success. “I have worked with one at Porto and Academina and had no issues with that and I certainly promote that,” Villas-Boas said of the possibility of appointing a director of football.

“In the end, the structure that a surrounds football club is down to the chairman. I certainly think he is looking to further evolve in terms of the structure that surrounds the club. It is not up to me to decide, it’s up to the chairman. There are discussions and talks but in the end it is a club decision.”

Spurs are already embarking on an overhaul of their recruitment policy with former chief scout Ian Broomfield and his academy scout Peter Senior both being sacked following Redknapp’s departure.

Spurs face a major challenge to finish in the top four this season, but Villas-Boas sees no reason why they cannot compete with the best teams in the Premier League and secure a place in the Champions League once again.

“Arsenal started awful at the start of last season and ended in that position. The top teams have all lost points so that shows a signal of how things are going to be,” he said.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Whether one is pro or anti the DOF structure, the question has to be asked: Is Baldini any good? i.e. what previous buys can be attributed to him and his scouting/persuasion?

Curious..

 

[Jordinho]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Whether one is pro or anti the DOF structure, the question has to be asked: Is Baldini any good? i.e. what previous buys can be attributed to him and his scouting/persuasion?

Curious..

England selections under Capello?

 

[glorygloryeze]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

England selections under Capello?

Eh? You mean there's nothing more then that attached to his cv??

Meh=;

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Whether one is pro or anti the DOF structure, the question has to be asked: Is Baldini any good? i.e. what previous buys can be attributed to him and his scouting/persuasion?

Curious..

Higuain and Gago at Madrid, plus Walter Samuel at Roma were his 'finds' from South America.

He also recruited Batistuta and Emerson, which were the two final pieces (along with Samuel) that made their championship winning side.

 

[Hully]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Eh? You mean there's nothing more then that attached to his cv??

Meh=;

Born in Reggello, Italy, Baldini most notably played for Bari and Bologna.[1] In 1981 he was called up to the Italian U-21 squad but did not go on to make a competitive appearance.[2] He became director of football at Associazione Sportiva Roma in 1999, where he remained until his resignation in March 2005.[1] He joined Fabio Capello at Real Madrid in 2006.[1] When Capello took over as the England manager in December 2007, Baldini became assistant manager.[3] His role at the national team of England involved scouting, managing the supporting staff (e.g. the doctors, physiotherapists, masseurs and kit managers) and making the job as easy as possible for his Italian counterpart. He left England after their successful EURO 2012 qualification and joined Roma before the start of 2012, but was assisting the team far before then. Since then, current Roma manager Luis Enrique, director Walter Sabatini and himself have undergone a huge revolution at the club with new owner Thomas Di Benedetto to try and instil a system of running a football club similar to that of FC Barcelona.

 

[milo]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Higuain and Gago at Madrid, plus Walter Samuel at Roma were his 'finds' from South America.

He also recruited Batistuta and Emerson, which were the two final pieces (along with Samuel) that made their championship winning side.

Have you got any evidence that they were his finds or was he just at the club when they were signed? What was his role at Madrid under Capello?

 

[Gifter]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

The next Batistuta [-o< (I know he didn't 'discover' him, sadly).

Not bothered either way as long as it is what AVB wants.