New DoF?

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Some of the best players from Redknapp's tenure were purchased under Comolli.

The pro DoF people just dismiss the fact that we were bottom of the league under the DoF structure, had an unbalanced squad and it led to numerous power struggles that have been well documented. But ALL of the good things we've achieved, people juts point to it and say look see the DoF got us 4th. I'm not having it.

If the DoF structure was an English idea, not one person on the board would be in favour of it.

We need better scouts and for Levy to pull his finger out of his arse and get deals done earlier, not a DoF.

 

[ArcspacE]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

The pro DoF people just dismiss the fact that we were bottom of the league under the DoF structure, had an unbalanced squad and it led to numerous power struggles that have been well documented. But ALL of the good things we've achieved, people juts point to it and say look see the DoF got us 4th. I'm not having it.

If the DoF structure was an English idea, not one person on the board would be in favour of it.

I would like to think that had to with the fact our manager couldn't speak English more so than the players themselves. A theory further strenghtened by the latters' performance under Redknapp - i.e. virtually the same squad achieved 4th place 12 months later.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

I would like to think that had to with the fact our manager couldn't speak English more so than the players themselves. A theory further strenghtened by the latters' performance under Redknapp - i.e. virtually the same squad achieved 4th place 12 months later.

Plus the players that HARRY brought in i.e. Kranjcar, Crouch, Palacios (Commoli failed to spot this weakness for years!) and Bassong.

Redknapp got the best out of Lennon, Huddlestone, Ekotto, Corluka to name a few and Bale was nowhere near the player he is now before Redknapp showed up.

 

[Bullet]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Club sources insist there are no plans to appoint a director of football but admit they are actively targeting a recruitment specialist to work directly with Levy, the manager and the scouting team on signing players.

Baldini has been personally nominated by Villas-Boas

The article says NO DoF

Yet still you argue about DoF

IT IS NOT DoF FFS

 

[ArcspacE]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Redknapp got the best out of Lennon, Huddlestone, Ekotto, Corluka to name a few and Bale was nowhere near the player he is now before Redknapp showed up.

I never argued otherwise - but most of these players arrived under Comolli. Along with some of our other top signings in recent years - Modric, Berbatov, etc.

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

The pro DoF people just dismiss the fact that we were bottom of the league under the DoF structure, had an unbalanced squad and it led to numerous power struggles that have been well documented. But ALL of the good things we've achieved, people juts point to it and say look see the DoF got us 4th. I'm not having it.

If the DoF structure was an English idea, not one person on the board would be in favour of it.

We need better scouts and for Levy to pull his finger out of his arse and get deals done earlier, not a DoF.

We've been bottom with a standard English DoF-free structure too. Indeed, we've been relegated with such a structure. And we've endured many years - nay decades - of mediocrity, underachievement and failure even to mount a title challenge, let alone win a title under the standard English structure.

So your point is moot.

There is no inherent superiority in either structure. It is all dependent on individuals. For Harry, it would never have worked. For others, it would.

And since no one here has the foggiest idea about AVB's - or even Levy's - exact thoughts on the matter, there is no point working yourselves into a lather about whether or not it might be a good idea to try it again.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

We've been bottom with a standard English DoF-free structure too. Indeed, we've been relegated with such a structure. And we've endured many years - nay decades - of mediocrity, underachievement and failure even to mount a title challenge, let alone win a title under the standard English structure.

So your point is moot.

There is no inherent superiority in either structure. It is all dependent on individuals. For Harry, it would never have worked. For others, it would.

And since no one here has the foggiest idea about AVB's - or even Levy's - exact thoughts on the matter, there is no point working yourselves into a lather about whether or not it might be a good idea to try it again.

It isn't moot. I don't agree with the DoF structure, but I accept that some very good players were purchased using the system. But the people in favour of it tend to gloss over the deficencies (that have been noted) it led to and just focus on the good parts. It seems the good folk of GG are desperate for two things to happen:

1. DoF
2. Berbatov to return to Spurs.

Like I said before, I believe we just need better scouts and for Levy to try and get deals done earlier.

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

It isn't moot. I don't agree with the DoF structure, but I accept that some very good players were purchased using the system. But the people in favour of it tend to gloss over the deficencies (that have been noted) it led to and just focus on the good parts. It seems the good folk of GG are desperate for two things to happen:

1. DoF
2. Berbatov to return to Spurs.

It works both ways.

Seems to me that the people who point out the good things to have come from Comolli's / Arnesen's time at Spurs do so because there is a similar faction on GG who are antipathetic to the DoF structure and who always point out the bad things to have come from that time.

As I said, neither structure is inherently superior to the other. Both can work equally well or fail as badly. It's all about having the right structure for the right individuals.

And Raziel's post is well worth reading again. If Levy is looking at some sort of structural change, it might be nothing like what he put in place for Comolli. It could simply be the case that he has too much on his plate with everything else that is going on, both at Spurs and beyond, and that he needs someone to take on some of the functions that he is currently fulfilling.

 

[ArcspacE]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

1. As jimmy pointed out - either system can work

2. Would have improved us immensely (as his 20+ season ahead at Fulham will soon demonstrate)

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

1. As jimmy pointed out - either system can work

2. Would have improved us immensely (as his 20+ season ahead at Fulham will soon demonstrate)

No question.

But I don't want him back at the club. He well and truly burnt his bridges.

 

[Fhtagn]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

It isn't moot. I don't agree with the DoF structure, but I accept that some very good players were purchased using the system. But the people in favour of it tend to gloss over the deficencies (that have been noted) it led to and just focus on the good parts. It seems the good folk of GG are desperate for two things to happen:

1. DoF
2. Berbatov to return to Spurs.

Like I said before, I believe we just need better scouts and for Levy to try and get deals done earlier.

No, I don't think people in favour gloss over the faults that such a system can have, they acknowledge them and wants the right people for the job so that those situations won't arise again. If the manager is happy with a DoF then what's the fudging problem? It seems like the people that don't want a DoF are desperate for two things to happen:

1. Redknapp back at Spurs
2. Sugar as chairman

Better scouts would be a good start, but Levy doing more deals early? I don't think that's happening for some time.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

No, I don't think people in favour gloss over the faults that such a system can have, they acknowledge them and wants the right people for the job so that those situations won't arise again. If the manager is happy with a DoF then what's the fudging problem? It seems like the people that don't want a DoF are desperate for two things to happen:

1. Redknapp back at Spurs
2. Sugar as chairman

Better scouts would be a good start, but Levy doing more deals early? I don't think that's happening for some time.

Who acknowledges them? Does Gutterboy ever respond when certain people challenge his views? He starts a thread that will rile people then fudges off and is nowhere to be seen.

In theory a DoF isn't the worst idea in the world, but we've seen first hand how it has lead to clashes with the managers at Spurs, that is why I am skeptical.

1. Redknapp is gone, he ain't coming back. But I want the manager, whoever it is to have final say on transfers.

2. I'm assuming the Sugar reference was just a throwaway comment.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Usual GG knee jerking, good to see brick doesn't change

- Hacked together article with no statement confirming DoF

The club is getting larger, bigger global profile and commitments, new training facilities with greater emphasis on our youth system, consistent multi-competition participation and huge stadium and local area project. Add to that team to continue building/adding to for AVB's setup/system.

The job is too much for Levy (who is our DoF btw) and AVB to manage effectively. I expect a number of Cx Level type appointments to drive certain priorities, none of those mean AVB reports to that person.

BTW I do love how every time this topic comes up, people completely ignore the fact that the DoF system is used in the majority of non British clubs (and no, your not that special, get over it).

who is that directed at? fans? directors? the media?

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Who acknowledges them? Does Gutterboy ever respond when certain people challenge his views? He starts a thread that will rile people then fudges off and is nowhere to be seen.

In theory a DoF isn't the worst idea in the world, but we've seen first hand how it has lead to clashes with the managers at Spurs, that is why I am skeptical.

1. Redknapp is gone, he ain't coming back. But I want the manager, whoever it is to have final say on transfers.

2. I'm assuming the Sugar reference was just a throwaway comment.

Once again - there is no inherent superiority in either structure. Both can work. Both can fail.

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

who is that directed at? fans? directors? the media?

I would imagine that he's referring to those (be they fans or football hacks) who, for some reason, are convinced that the DoF structure cannot work in England.

 

[Rorschach]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

The DOF tag seems to spook some fans but effectively Levy is hiring another exec to help with a club that is growing on and off the field. There is no mention of the traditional DOF role in the article so who knows what Baldini might end up doing. Recruitment specialist sounds more like the role Levy has been doing himself.

 

[WookieD]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

The DOF tag seems to spook some fans but effectively Levy is hiring another exec to help with a club that is growing on and off the field. There is no mention of the traditional DOF role in the article so who knows what Baldini might end up doing. Recruitment specialist sounds more like the role Levy has been doing himself.

DoF, head of recruitment, whatever. All I know is I'll be glad when we have somebody properly with his eye on the ball and taking negotiations seriously. Honestly, I reckon Mr Levy spent too much time playing Drug Wars or similar as a yoot... "If I just fly out to New York and back one more time, I reckon Messi will have come down to £10m"...

 

[jts1882]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

The pro DoF people just dismiss the fact that we were bottom of the league under the DoF structure, had an unbalanced squad and it led to numerous power struggles that have been well documented.

We were bottom of the league when 'Arry took over from Ramos, but you have to question whether the DoF system was still operating. We'd just seen high player turnover with 11 in and 11 out. As Ramos was new I have to assume this was under his instruction and not Comolli suddenly changing tack. For a number of years under Arnsen and Comolli we had being following one approach and then it was changed. The advantage of DoF is the long-term planning and continuity. This plan was torn up for some reason.

I don't think the problems under lying the last place were due to the DoF or not. It was a lot of change with a manager who struggled to communicate.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

DoF, head of recruitment, whatever. All I know is I'll be glad when we have somebody properly with his eye on the ball and taking negotiations seriously. Honestly, I reckon Mr Levy spent too much time playing Drug Wars or similar as a yoot... "If I just fly out to New York and back one more time, I reckon Messi will have come down to £10m"...

Even when we had a DoF Levy still did the negotiations.

 

[WookieD]

Re: Baldini as new DoF?

Even when we had a DoF Levy still did the negotiations.

But we had more of a strategy than offering every man and his dog 20p and a packet of Hubber Bubba at the start of the window and then going on holiday until Aug 31st.