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Moussa Sissoko

scaramanga said:
Look at where Kane is pointing and where he receives it. It's still a goal because Kane, but that doesn't excuse fluffing the pass.
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Theres always an excuse for Sissoko, you should know that.

Bottom line is he isnt good enough. Despite the greatest protestations by his fan club. He just doesnt have it.

In time, when Lo Celso etc get going, I expect Sissoko to be on the bench. Probably just used to spare legs and help see out games.

Then eventually he will just leave, because he isnt getting minutes, because we have 5 or 6 better players in front of him.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
I’ve watched this goal over and over again and can’t think where you actually think you’re able to criticise the pass legitimately. This is ignoring all the other good passes Sissoko made throughout the game (a ridiculous phrase to have to write, but such is the polarisation of the debate I feel the need to point out the good first time ball out to Eriksen which lead to the cross for the first goal. Not in and of itself a miraculous pass, but good technique that you routinely accuse him of not being able to demonstrate.) but the goal in particular is just a good pass.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1160655879617810434

In fact, if it was played ahead of Kane it may well have been easier for the defenders to stop it. As it was, Kane was more easily able to use his body to shield the ball and set for the shot.

Can’t believe I have to write these things, but this thread is like an example of our politics. It’s all polarised, sane and reasonable debate doesn’t happen anymore. There’s no room for compromise or an appreciation that the truth is somewhere in the middle. You are like a Trump voter - you are lost to that particular way of thinking and there’s no chance of getting you back.
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Tbf I think the way Scara puts things is meant to be slightly tongue in cheek. @nayimfromthehalfwayline although I strongly disagree with him on Sissoko is generally balanced and respectful when he posts although the "fan club' comment is slightly unnecessary.

Then there are others who are just plain anti Sissoko what ever he does.
 
scaramanga said:
Look at where Kane is pointing and where he receives it. It's still a goal because Kane, but that doesn't excuse fluffing the pass.
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For goodness sake, it wasn’t a fluffed pass. There’s even an argument to say that if Sissoko played it earlier, or more forward, it would just hit Lucas who was making the run across him.

‘Always an excuse excuse for Sissoko’. Always a reason to talk him down more like.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
For goodness sake, it wasn’t a fluffed pass. There’s even an argument to say that if Sissoko played it earlier, or more forward, it would just hit Lucas who was making the run across him.

‘Always an excuse excuse for Sissoko’. Always a reason to talk him down more like.
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Freeze the frame at the point Sissoko hits it - there's a clear, straight line to where Kane would be able to take it in his stride (as he's signalled he wants). Sissoko (for some unknown reason) puts a bit of curl on the pass and it turns slightly away from goal - it's also a little slower than Kane would want. A deadweight "push" pass in a straight line means Kane can pick the ball up in his stride. Kane scored despite the pass, not because of it.
 
I mean, for my sins, I’ve watched it a couple more times. Kane pretty much gets it where he wants it. He points, and then the pass is made. Sissoko is moving at a pace quicker than most players around him but the ball gets to Kane, in a way that doesn’t allow the defenders to tackle him. The ball is played in front, allowing Kane’s forward momentum to get it.

But it made me realise, why is no other player scrutinised to this level of depth? That an assist to see out a tough game which was pretty much created entirely for his ability to take the ball in the air and and breeze past two or three players in the middle is seen as something negative? That we need constant reminders, after he’s helped us get to a fudging CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL that when all of our new signings settle, and everyone is fit, and when Sissoko finally succumbs to the ravages of age himself, that eventually he’ll be sold? And FINALLY you’ll be right?

It’s just laughable. GHod help any other player if they had to live with the scrutiny that Sissoko has to live with. That he was part of the side that provided some of the best memories and best runs I’ve ever had as a Spurs fan, where he more than played his part, and still can’t be accepted for what he is. That a perfectly good assist still has people picking holes in him. He’s a Spurs player, a big part of one of our most successful sides for decades.
 
scaramanga said:
Freeze the frame at the point Sissoko hits it - there's a clear, straight line to where Kane would be able to take it in his stride (as he's signalled he wants). Sissoko (for some unknown reason) puts a bit of curl on the pass and it turns slightly away from goal - it's also a little slower than Kane would want. A deadweight "push" pass in a straight line means Kane can pick the ball up in his stride. Kane scored despite the pass, not because of it.
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You are a joke.
 
Robspur12 said:
Tbf I think the way Scara puts things is meant to be slightly tongue in cheek. @nayimfromthehalfwayline although I strongly disagree with him on Sissoko is generally balanced and respectful when he posts although the "fan club' comment is slightly unnecessary.

Then there are others who are just plain anti Sissoko what ever he does.
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I’ve asked Scara multiple times before whether he’s just being funny for the sake of it and every time he doubles down on the idea that he is serious.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
I mean, for my sins, I’ve watched it a couple more times. Kane pretty much gets it where he wants it. He points, and then the pass is made. Sissoko is moving at a pace quicker than most players around him but the ball gets to Kane, in a way that doesn’t allow the defenders to tackle him. The ball is played in front, allowing Kane’s forward momentum to get it.

But it made me realise, why is no other player scrutinised to this level of depth? That an assist to see out a tough game which was pretty much created entirely for his ability to take the ball in the air and and breeze past two or three players in the middle is seen as something negative? That we need constant reminders, after he’s helped us get to a fudging CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL that when all of our new signings settle, and everyone is fit, and when Sissoko finally succumbs to the ravages of age himself, that eventually he’ll be sold? And FINALLY you’ll be right?

It’s just laughable. GHod help any other player if they had to live with the scrutiny that Sissoko has to live with. That he was part of the side that provided some of the best memories and best runs I’ve ever had as a Spurs fan, where he more than played his part, and still can’t be accepted for what he is. That a perfectly good assist still has people picking holes in him. He’s a Spurs player, a big part of one of our most successful sides for decades.
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Don't get drawn in fella....not at this level of scrutiny .
 
Practically every player in the team was under par until things were changed - Sissoko was no better or worse than the rest of them. He got a good assist, if thats him on a bad day then happy days....
 
harr1984 said:
Practically every player in the team was under par until things were changed - Sissoko was no better or worse than the rest of them. He got a good assist, if thats him on a bad day then happy days....
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I don't know how to use the like button. Thank GHod Eriksen game on or we may not have won that game.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
400% serious

Anyone who calls that system a diamond needs to get back to school to do some maths....

And as for sissoko. He was playing poorly until the second half changes
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Sorry, the bit I meant was supposed to be in bold (fat fingers) "id have taken off the ineffective NDombele personally"

Agree with the diamond and Sissoko points, just that NDombele grew into the game massively once he scored
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Theres always an excuse for Sissoko, you should know that.

Bottom line is he isnt good enough. Despite the greatest protestations by his fan club. He just doesnt have it.

In time, when Lo Celso etc get going, I expect Sissoko to be on the bench. Probably just used to spare legs and help see out games.

Then eventually he will just leave, because he isnt getting minutes, because we have 5 or 6 better players in front of him.
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Mate, he wears the shirt, he works his ass off, no need to be that way.

- Do I think he should/will be in first 11 once everyone is fit and up and running = probably not
- BTW, I also think Winks & Dele are likely to have the same issue once everyone is fit
- Do I think he will still see a lot of game time, rotate a bit = yes.
- Do I think the guy will leave because he won't get game time = absolutely not, he doubled down when he wasn't getting game time and stuck it out, he also seems happy and popular in changing room.

Out of real curiosity, who are the 5 or 6 players ahead of him? in a deeper lying midfield position, that has pace/physicality, can cover defensively and drive forward?
 
NoLimits01 said:
Sorry, the bit I meant was supposed to be in bold (fat fingers) "id have taken off the ineffective NDombele personally"

Agree with the diamond and Sissoko points, just that NDombele grew into the game massively once he scored
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Ndombele was at that point IMO lost. He didnt know where to fit in the system and we needed the points.

The goal worked wonders for his confidence though and he was playing like he did at Lyon
 
Raziel said:
Mate, he wears the shirt, he works his ass off, no need to be that way.

- Do I think he should/will be in first 11 once everyone is fit and up and running = probably not
- BTW, I also think Winks & Dele are likely to have the same issue once everyone is fit
- Do I think he will still see a lot of game time, rotate a bit = yes.
- Do I think the guy will leave because he won't get game time = absolutely not, he doubled down when he wasn't getting game time and stuck it out, he also seems happy and popular in changing room.

Out of real curiosity, who are the 5 or 6 players ahead of him? in a deeper lying midfield position, that has pace/physicality, can cover defensively and drive forward?
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Be what way? Theres nothing personal about it.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Sissoko wasn’t the problem
Winks certainly wasn’t the problem (he wasn’t our best midfielder and the only one to keep the ball)
NDombele wasn’t the problem
The flat 3 midfield was the issue (it’s not a fecking diamond with no width)
The change started in second half when Lamela and Moura played wide (Lamela hugged the left touchline constantly)
Then the swap in midfield (id have taken off the ineffective NDombele personally) gave us less people covering the same space and low and behold we went up another gear
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I disagree about Winks. Keeping the ball is easy when playing safe passes against a team who are mainly just getting themselves behind the ball. You actually have to take a chance with the ball and look to attack quickly. I felt the tempo of our attacks improved as soon as Eriksen replaced Winks.
 
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