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Mousa Dembele

parklane1 said:
Racism is wrong, but if you really think calling someone a name is worse then eye gouging then there is nothing more to say.
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If this was an actual eye gouge, I would agree. But this was just hands to the face in the vicinity of the eye. I think that's why some people on here deem it less severe than racism. It's not eye gouging, per se; it's this particular incident.
 
parklane1 said:
I said that eye gouging is worse then calling someone a name, do not try and twist what I said.
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Do you genuinely, and I mean genuinely, believe that was an 'eye-gouge'? Calling that an 'eye-gouge' is like calling an Edmonton bedsit a luxury London apartment! It wasn't an 'eye-gouge' at the time and it still isn't, unless Costa's eyes sit on his cheeks. I am not saying it was clever (indeed, I'd much rather Moose had taken him out during the game with an 'accidentally' late challenge) however this egg got so overcooked it became a bullet.
 
Mr_B said:
I thought there was a 20% chance we would be docked a point for this and the 9 yellows etc, the FA hate us, definitely some anti-Semitism there and you know Levy gives them rightly a hard time over any spurs decision.
Echoing what steff and others have said, I love this new fighting tottenham, how many titles would Man U have won without an enforcer like Roy Keane in there. You don't win championships with silky skill, Leicester are champions if you didn't know, you win playing ugly and with strength and grit. Poch will be instilling this into tottenham next year, if you don't like it, move to barcelona.
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Yes!!!!!
 
galeforce said:
we'll have to

imo Terry's offence was the worst thing a footballer has ever done on a British football pitch, he should have had a life ban
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It was up there with Suarez and Evra...have to say, what Keane did to Haaland all those years ago was dreadful, and he only got 5 games for that I believe. Having said it was dreadful, everyone knew why he did it and Haaland was a tosser who had started it. BTW, can anyone remember what Fashanu got for breaking Mabbutt's eye-socket that time I'll bet it wasn't 6 fudging games!
 
thfcsteff said:
It was up there with Suarez and Evra...have to say, what Keane did to Haaland all those years ago was dreadful, and he only got 5 games for that I believe. Having said it was dreadful, everyone knew why he did it and Haaland was a tosser who had started it. BTW, can anyone remember what Fashanu got for breaking Mabbutt's eye-socket that time I'll bet it wasn't 6 fudgeing games!
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IIRC he didn't get punished as the fa accepted he didn't mean to do it!
 
Modric THFC said:
Mods can you word filter out "eye gouge" and "eye gouging"?
Its absolutely ridiculous that people here are referring to it as an eye gouge.
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Thank you.... why are we actually adding to this narrative that we have been fed to the detrement of our own club? And in terms of facts Face tickle would be a more accurate description.
 
DTA said:
Thank you.... why are we actually adding to this narrative that we have been fed to the detrement of our own club? And in terms of facts Face tickle would be a more accurate description.
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On further observation it looks like Dembele was giving Costa an exfoliating touch. To help clean up his bricky complexion.
 
Personally, I think Moussa has been our player of the year. He doesn't get the plaudits but his strength on the ball and ball retention are invaluable assets. He rarely loses the ball no matter how tight the situation is. We play worse without him and the stats this season, in terms of games we've lost, prove it.

I want Mason to do well, I really do but he's no Dembele and if you were to judge him on yesterday, you'd have to say he is barely a mid-table level player.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Personally, I think Moussa has been our player of the year. He doesn't get the plaudits but his strength on the ball and ball retention are invaluable assets. He rarely loses the ball no matter how tight the situation is. We play worse without him and the stats this season, in terms of games we've lost, prove it.

I want Mason to do well, I really do but he's no Dembele and if you were to judge him on yesterday, you'd have to say he is barely a mid-table level player.
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Dembele, like Toure for City, is the player that enables us to break the press.

Watch our wide players when he gets the ball, they always gamble that he will keep it - they can move past the press line safely, knowing that it's very rare he'll lose the ball.

Any match where he hasn't played or has played below his own high level, teams have pressed us out of the game.
 
scaramanga said:
Dembele, like Toure for City, is the player that enables us to break the press.

Watch our wide players when he gets the ball, they always gamble that he will keep it - they can move past the press line safely, knowing that it's very rare he'll lose the ball.

Any match where he hasn't played or has played below his own high level, teams have pressed us out of the game.
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Agreed. This is absolutely key for us as it is what allows us to transition defence to attack. There aren't many players in World football who can do this successfully. The player has to have a great touch, fantastic balance and good body strength. I'm not sure what other players there are out there who could come in and perform this role for us? At Spurs I think we have two young players who could become this sort of player - Bentaleb and Onomah. Whether either could reach Dembele's current standard I don't know, but I think both have the physical attributes required. I have no doubts that Alli could also play in this position, but then we would lose his significant goal threat.

Your point about the full backs gambling is an interesting one. A couple of times yesterday I noticed that Walker/Rose did not make runs forward when we had the ball in the middle of the pitch, despite there being lots of space for them to exploit. I hadn't really thought about the reason for this too much until reading your post just now, but it would make sense if it was a lack of trust in Mason to be able to retain the ball compared to Dembele.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Agreed. This is absolutely key for us as it is what allows us to transition defence to attack. There aren't many players in World football who can do this successfully. The player has to have a great touch, fantastic balance and good body strength. I'm not sure what other players there are out there who could come in and perform this role for us? At Spurs I think we have two young players who could become this sort of player - Bentaleb and Onomah. Whether either could reach Dembele's current standard I don't know, but I think both have the physical attributes required. I have no doubts that Alli could also play in this position, but then we would lose his significant goal threat.

Your point about the full backs gambling is an interesting one. A couple of times yesterday I noticed that Walker/Rose did not make runs forward when we had the ball in the middle of the pitch, despite there being lots of space for them to exploit. I hadn't really thought about the reason for this too much until reading your post just now, but it would make sense if it was a lack of trust in Mason to be able to retain the ball compared to Dembele.
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It looks like a set piece to me when we're being heavily pressed.

Dembele gets the ball, Dier drops deep (if he isn't already), Lamela and Eriksen cut in (sometimes cross over) and the full backs go. Dembele usually moves the ball forward to Eriksen or Lamela who quickly move it out to the flanks if there isn't a through ball on. We do it time and time again when they're pushing us.
 
Jurgen the German said:
All due respect, we say that every year about strikers and we never/rarely rectify that area.
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And in previous years we've not had a manager who appears to know exactly where he's heading with the squad. I believe we'll strengthen the team with players that Poch wants and not just buy willynilly which we appear to have done in previous years.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Agreed. This is absolutely key for us as it is what allows us to transition defence to attack. There aren't many players in World football who can do this successfully. The player has to have a great touch, fantastic balance and good body strength. I'm not sure what other players there are out there who could come in and perform this role for us? At Spurs I think we have two young players who could become this sort of player - Bentaleb and Onomah. Whether either could reach Dembele's current standard I don't know, but I think both have the physical attributes required. I have no doubts that Alli could also play in this position, but then we would lose his significant goal threat.

Your point about the full backs gambling is an interesting one. A couple of times yesterday I noticed that Walker/Rose did not make runs forward when we had the ball in the middle of the pitch, despite there being lots of space for them to exploit. I hadn't really thought about the reason for this too much until reading your post just now, but it would make sense if it was a lack of trust in Mason to be able to retain the ball compared to Dembele.
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If Bentaleb comes back from injury without any residual problems I think he could be as good as Dembele. As for Onomah from what little I've seen of him (EL appearances) he doesn't appear to be a Dembele style of player at all, he's more attacking like Eriksen or Lamela but not in their class, and I'm not sure he will become that level either.
 
camspur said:
If Bentaleb comes back from injury without any residual problems I think he could be as good as Dembele. As for Onomah from what little I've seen of him (EL appearances) he doesn't appear to be a Dembele style of player at all, he's more attacking like Eriksen or Lamela but not in their class, and I'm not sure he will become that level either.
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I disagree with you about Onomah. I don't think he is quite dynamic or creative enough to play as one of the three behind the striker. However his physical attributes, balance, touch and ability to glide with the ball make him the perfect Dembele apprentice. The problem currently is that he needs games to develop there, but he isn't yet good enough for us to put him there and expect to get good results. That's why I would love him to get a decent loan move, it could really be the making of him as a player.
 
awesome dawson said:
Missed him greatly against Southampton. We looked weak as p!ss in midfield with Mason. Scared about the first four games next season.
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Have to agree with this, Mason may be home grown and all that but ( imo) he is not good enough for where we are hoping to get to. All the talk is that Poch is looking at improving our CM and I believe IF he does then Mason will be even further down the pecking order.
 
parklane1 said:
Have to agree with this, Mason may be home grown and all that but ( imo) he is not good enough for where we are hoping to get to. All the talk is that Poch is looking at improving our CM and I believe IF he does then Mason will be even further down the pecking order.
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I remain convinced he will move for Wanyama if given a green light by Soton.
 
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