Mauricio Pochettino

[thfcsteff]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1633819260827975680

I mean...what is there to say...

 

[thfcsteff]

When poch's detractors say he "lucked" into a great, hungry squad of players, I always think it's such a one dimensional view of his time at Spurs. The number of players the guy got to perform to their highest level who then failed to have any impact under more decorated managers, Rose, Dele, Sissoko, Winks. These are the guys who took us to a Champions League final and helped us finish 4th. Even Ndombele in the few games he played under Poch looked better than he did under subsequent managers. That's why, for me, he was successful at Spurs where previous and later managers failed. He has a talent for getting inside the heads of often troubled players who other managers can't work with and get them to focus on football. I didn't really see that in Conte or Mourinho. Whether or not he comes back doesn't change the view for me that he is a special manager.

I cannot even have the conversation mate.

If people don't understand what he brought to this club, and if people don't think he deserved a chance to fully rebuild another squad and go for it all again post CL Final, then it is tough to know what to say to them that would be rational or (in my case) civil.

He was very, very special indeed.
The selfish side of me wants him back now.
There's another side which says if he is going to be disrespected again, then maybe best not to.
I hope the selfish side gets fed...

 

[thfcsteff]

Memories.

still hurts seeing what Dele Alli was to nowadays. In the dream world Pochettino would bring him back and rebuild him (Like Apollo Creed with Rocky)

Hugely.

 

[Grays_1890]

I cannot even have the conversation mate.

If people don't understand what he brought to this club, and if people don't think he deserved a chance to fully rebuild another squad and go for it all again post CL Final, then it is tough to know what to say to them that would be rational or (in my case) civil.

He was very, very special indeed.
The selfish side of me wants him back now.
There's another side which says if he is going to be disrespected again, then maybe best not to.
I hope the selfish side gets fed...

Haha exactly this, people chime out the lack of cups, but then use the lack of cups over 15 years as another tool on another thread that support him, real odd mix of views with some that totally reimagine his time with us. He was nothing but good for the club, the feeling I had going to games over the time he was here, magic, said with no pun or romanticism intended, absolutely electric. I think having Jose as a manager skewed peoples radar and made people more unrealistic on him than the reality

 

[Mikey10]

He was nothing but good for the club

He did a huge amount of good.

The football for the last year of his time here was largely dogbrick, though, and he was moaning to the press almost as much as Conte in the months leading up to his sacking (perhaps with more reason).

Let’s not re-write history.

 

[Robspur12]

He did a huge amount of good.

The football for the last year of his time here was largely dogbrick, though, and he was moaning to the press almost as much as Conte in the months leading up to his sacking (perhaps with more reason).

Let’s not re-write history.

Semi final of the Carabao, Champions league final, 4th place in the league. With Kane out since the first leg of the city game and no proper back up. Then Son injured, Dele injured. Blimey I wish we could have dogbrick like that again. Moaning to the press? I don’t remember that at all.

 

[Mikey10]

Semi final of the Carabao, Champions league final, 4th place in the league. With Kane out since the first leg of the city game and no proper back up. Then Son injured, Dele injured. Blimey I wish we could have dogbrick like that again. Moaning to the press? I don’t remember that at all.

He left in November 2019. On the day he was sacked we had gained 25 points from our previous 24 games - approaching relegation form. We had 3 wins in our last 12 PL games. We hadn’t won away in the PL since January. No PL side had lost more games in all competitions (18) than us in the calendar year. We were terrible to watch.

The build-up to the CL game had seen Poch implying to the press that he might well leave should we win, something they of course seized upon and reported on for days on end. Who knows what effect that had on the players. He played a clearly unfit Kane in the final. In the Carabou final Son was started in a position he had never played before, a decision which cost us. We had the ‘new furniture’ quote, which then developed into an extended huff, and ended with he and Levy reportedly barely on speaking terms - and amid rumours that Poch had stopped attending training.

As I said, he did more good for our club than many, but let’s not re-write history on the year before he left.

 

[Grays_1890]

He left in November 2019. On the day he was sacked we had gained 25 points from our previous 24 games - approaching relegation form. We had 3 wins in our last 12 PL games. We hadn’t won away in the PL since January. No PL side had lost more games in all competitions (18) than us in the calendar year. We were terrible to watch.

The build-up to the CL game had seen Poch implying to the press that he might well leave should we win, something they of course seized upon and reported on for days on end. Who knows what effect that had on the players. He played a clearly unfit Kane in the final. In the Carabou final Son was started in a position he had never played before, a decision which cost us. We had the ‘new furniture’ quote, which then developed into an extended huff, and ended with he and Levy reportedly barely on speaking terms - and amid rumours that Poch had stopped attending training.

As I said, he did more good for our club than many, but let’s not re-write history on the year before he left.

TBF to him he clarified that CL comment and any sane man knew where he was coming from in that "where do you go from winning the CL" it was a joke lost in translation. The press can say what they want but as fans and a club we should know and be comfortable with what he said. I would die a happy man if we had won the CL that year, not sure it means I would be straight on the cyanide at 90 mins though.

He was spot on about the furniture point, a point proven to this day....

His form was bad, managers live and die by it, he died by it so its all irrelevant, but there was alot at play to explain our form that stats don't explain. The mess of the move and delays to moving back, the CL run and the team grinding to a halt physically not helped by inactivity in the market because of the stadium move. Its impossible to argue that those that came since have not benefitted from the work and hard yards he did, Jose and Conte got the fruit when Poch was made to bust his hump and was sacked months after his real first backed window TBF.

 

[Mikey10]

TBF to him he clarified that CL comment and any sane man knew where he was coming from in that "where do you go from winning the CL" it was a joke lost in translation. The press can say what they want but as fans and a club we should know and be comfortable with what he said. I would die a happy man if we had won the CL that year, not sure it means I would be straight on the cyanide at 90 mins though.

He was spot on about the furniture point, a point proven to this day....

His form was bad, managers live and die by it, he died by it so it’s all irrelevant, but there was alot at play to explain our form that stats don't explain. The mess of the move and delays to moving back, the CL run and the team grinding to a halt physically not helped by inactivity in the market because of the stadium move. Its impossible to argue that those that came since have not benefitted from the work and hard yards he did, Jose and Conte got the fruit when Poch was made to bust his hump and was sacked months after his real first backed window TBF.

I don’t necessarily disagree, but I’m sure Conte’s current position could be spun in a similar way.

As you say, managers live and die on results - ours were terrible for almost a year before he went, and the football was terrible to watch.

 

[Robspur12]

I don’t necessarily disagree, but I’m sure Conte’s current position could be spun in a similar way.

As you say, managers live and die on results - ours were terrible for almost a year before he went, and the football was terrible to watch.

We still managed 4th and got to the champions League final. You can't just write that off with a list of negatives. No one has even come close to that achievement before or since. To get there pushed the squad to its limits especially with the injuries. We had a relatively tiny squad but were fighting on 3 fronts. Would you rather have had better league results and finished 2nd or 3rd in the league or have the run we did to the final? I know which one I would prefer. And it's ridiculous because with that tiny squad he still got us to 4th place anyway! However he got there. So to say we were terrible is absolute nonsense in that context and sounds a tad entitled. To put it in even more perspective we are struggling to get a Champions League place this season with a deeper squad than we had in 2019 and realistically only fighting on one front.

Re: Kane, I tell you now any manager would play their best player and Talisman in a such a huge game, I bet even you would if that was your job and you were not just talking as a fan. Not sure about the Carabao Cup final as Son was not even there.

It's not re writing history as you suggest but rather adding context to a one eyed analysis. The season in which he was sacked the team was mentally and physically drained. But it was only 12 games in.

 

[paxtonwolf]

TBF to him he clarified that CL comment and any sane man knew where he was coming from in that "where do you go from winning the CL" it was a joke lost in translation. The press can say what they want but as fans and a club we should know and be comfortable with what he said. I would die a happy man if we had won the CL that year, not sure it means I would be straight on the cyanide at 90 mins though.

He was spot on about the furniture point, a point proven to this day....

His form was bad, managers live and die by it, he died by it so its all irrelevant, but there was alot at play to explain our form that stats don't explain. The mess of the move and delays to moving back, the CL run and the team grinding to a halt physically not helped by inactivity in the market because of the stadium move. Its impossible to argue that those that came since have not benefitted from the work and hard yards he did, Jose and Conte got the fruit when Poch was made to bust his hump and was sacked months after his real first backed window TBF.

Totally this

 

[parklane1]

He did a huge amount of good.

The football for the last year of his time here was largely dogbrick, though, and he was moaning to the press almost as much as Conte in the months leading up to his sacking (perhaps with more reason).

Let’s not re-write history.

This

He left in November 2019. On the day he was sacked we had gained 25 points from our previous 24 games - approaching relegation form. We had 3 wins in our last 12 PL games. We hadn’t won away in the PL since January. No PL side had lost more games in all competitions (18) than us in the calendar year. We were terrible to watch.

The build-up to the CL game had seen Poch implying to the press that he might well leave should we win, something they of course seized upon and reported on for days on end. Who knows what effect that had on the players. He played a clearly unfit Kane in the final. In the Carabou final Son was started in a position he had never played before, a decision which cost us. We had the ‘new furniture’ quote, which then developed into an extended huff, and ended with he and Levy reportedly barely on speaking terms - and amid rumours that Poch had stopped attending training.

As I said, he did more good for our club than many, but let’s not re-write history on the year before he left.

And this.

We were as bad as we have been during his last year here and there were no signs of him changing or even wanting to change it. i was against his sacking at the time and said so on here but do i want him back? not really.

 

[scaramanga]

He left in November 2019. On the day he was sacked we had gained 25 points from our previous 24 games - approaching relegation form. We had 3 wins in our last 12 PL games. We hadn’t won away in the PL since January. No PL side had lost more games in all competitions (18) than us in the calendar year. We were terrible to watch.

The build-up to the CL game had seen Poch implying to the press that he might well leave should we win, something they of course seized upon and reported on for days on end. Who knows what effect that had on the players. He played a clearly unfit Kane in the final. In the Carabou final Son was started in a position he had never played before, a decision which cost us. We had the ‘new furniture’ quote, which then developed into an extended huff, and ended with he and Levy reportedly barely on speaking terms - and amid rumours that Poch had stopped attending training.

As I said, he did more good for our club than many, but let’s not re-write history on the year before he left.

We were actually terrible long before that too.

Our xG for took a dive and our xG against went through the roof. The results we got for a long while before that period were despite our performances, not because of them.

 

[Lilbaz]

This



And this.

We were as bad as we have been during his last year here and there were no signs of him changing or even wanting to change it. i was against his sacking at the time and said so on here but do i want him back? not really.

If we got anyone else though, any dip in form the crowd would be chanting he's magic.

Outside chance that conte stays though.

 

[thfcsteff]

He left in November 2019. On the day he was sacked we had gained 25 points from our previous 24 games - approaching relegation form. We had 3 wins in our last 12 PL games. We hadn’t won away in the PL since January. No PL side had lost more games in all competitions (18) than us in the calendar year. We were terrible to watch.

The build-up to the CL game had seen Poch implying to the press that he might well leave should we win, something they of course seized upon and reported on for days on end. Who knows what effect that had on the players. He played a clearly unfit Kane in the final. In the Carabou final Son was started in a position he had never played before, a decision which cost us. We had the ‘new furniture’ quote, which then developed into an extended huff, and ended with he and Levy reportedly barely on speaking terms - and amid rumours that Poch had stopped attending training.

As I said, he did more good for our club than many, but let’s not re-write history on the year before he left.

1) Between 2016 and 2018, we were the top club in the country with more points than anyone. We didn't win the league of course either year (one would say 16/17 was particularly unlucky as we were topped by a Chelsea side not in Europe and out of cups early, managed by...) so the stat is nice but relatively worthless without context. Like, IMO, this one.

2) Again, I think this lacks context. He spent long parts of the firs-half of 2019 managing a squad with key injuries to Kane, Son and Dele among others. He was trying to drag us over the line into 4th (and through a CL campaign) relying on Winks and Sissoko in midfield. I think what he achieved that season -in context- was miraculous. Our current manager would've been beside himself joy.

3) If he had not started Kane the world would've exploded. The single biggest issue with that final (aside from penalty call) IMO, was the preparation. Three weeks was too long for a side who really were relying on rhythm/momentum. We'd have been better off playing a friendly in there.

4) I think the issue in this was Levy and him making up that summer. That was the time to part. As it was, he got led down the path of thinking it was all OK and suddenly, Mourinho's popping up in the stands for 'visits'...I don't have the table but we were only 4 points off 4th I believe when he got sacked. I believe he deserved the chance to rebuild, but it was all wrong the way it was handled in the summer.

None of us should worry, he isn't returning (IMO)...

 

[thfcsteff]

This



And this.

We were as bad as we have been during his last year here and there were no signs of him changing or even wanting to change it. i was against his sacking at the time and said so on here but do i want him back? not really.

He was absolutely looking to shift to 4-3-3 and NDombele/LoCelso were key parts of that plan.

 

[Baleforce]

He was absolutely looking to shift to 4-3-3 and NDombele/LoCelso were key parts of that plan.

disagree, they were for a diamond

 

[parklane1]

He was absolutely looking to shift to 4-3-3 and NDombele/LoCelso were key parts of that plan.

That worked well did it not.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

He was absolutely looking to shift to 4-3-3 and NDombele/LoCelso were key parts of that plan.

Don’t think so. I agree with the guys above
He also… and I’ve said this loads..
Suffered from being a coach and mentor first and foremost and needed to became the manager of these players
Who was trying hard. Separate office, didn’t take training etc..
What he didn’t do was bring in a new coach or two for that fresh voice allowing him to step up and away

 

[Bedfordspurs]

1) Between 2016 and 2018, we were the top club in the country with more points than anyone. We didn't win the league of course either year (one would say 16/17 was particularly unlucky as we were topped by a Chelsea side not in Europe and out of cups early, managed by...) so the stat is nice but relatively worthless without context. Like, IMO, this one.

2) Again, I think this lacks context. He spent long parts of the firs-half of 2019 managing a squad with key injuries to Kane, Son and Dele among others. He was trying to drag us over the line into 4th (and through a CL campaign) relying on Winks and Sissoko in midfield. I think what he achieved that season -in context- was miraculous. Our current manager would've been beside himself joy.

3) If he had not started Kane the world would've exploded. The single biggest issue with that final (aside from penalty call) IMO, was the preparation. Three weeks was too long for a side who really were relying on rhythm/momentum. We'd have been better off playing a friendly in there.

4) I think the issue in this was Levy and him making up that summer. That was the time to part. As it was, he got led down the path of thinking it was all OK and suddenly, Mourinho's popping up in the stands for 'visits'...I don't have the table but we were only 4 points off 4th I believe when he got sacked. I believe he deserved the chance to rebuild, but it was all wrong the way it was handled in the summer.

None of us should worry, he isn't returning (IMO)...

Pool had those friendlies and also trained in warm weather. We missed a trick there by some way

when Poch was sacked he had won 3 league games in 12
We were 14th, 11 points behind 4th place