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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

BrainOfLevy said:
Don’t think it would have been fairer, we played really well at Liverpool and the draw was the least we deserved.

I kind of take the view that in a knock out game with Juve, when the move was so calculated and so intended to cause confusion, and it worked, they deserved it. It’s one of those where although we played well, and created chances, and actually performed really impressively considering the opposition...it is just about winning. If they lucked out from a set piece I’d say we deserved it, the fact that they planned to cause confusion means I have no problem holding my hands up and putting it down to a great learning experience.

Quite right on Moura. What would people be saying if he was used, failed to track his man or press at the right time, and Juve picked us off? Poch is too naive with his subs? Poch needs to learn how to trust the more established players rather than go for broke?
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One thing against Juve sub-wise was Moose tiring and Dier having been tacoted.


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BrainOfLevy said:
I think it was tactical too, and the precise master stroke Allegri has been getting praise for, from Ancelotti etc.

So I can get on board with the idea that Poch can learn something from that, being able to respond to a change in shape as quickly as possible or playing it safe until he can figure out his next move. But I think that’s a different thing from saying we suffer because he waits until 70 mins to make changes usually.
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Conte's done it a couple of times to him too.

He can be very slow to react to tactical changes at times.
 
galeforce said:
it's not just fitness, there are schemes and assignments to learn too
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Which he had been doing since jan

The guy is a full Brazil international and CL regular before this season

We needed an alternative and that for me was someone to run at a defence where they were all on yellows

Hey it’s in the past now so it’s done but for me that is an error

And also saving a sub for extra time... only works if we go to extra time
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Moura could have lasted 20 minutes vs Juve surely....
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No doubt, and he will have been signed because he is rated and adds something. But if the staff who see him every day think he isn’t ready to know how and when to press, when to drop, who to track etc in the pressure of a high stakes game, I trust their reasoning for leaving him out.

Remember when Poch first joined? 3-0 home defeat to Liverpool. He bemoaned the fact we were leaving gaps all over the place. It was because some players could do what he asked and some couldn’t, and some weren’t there yet. But I think having a system that allows us to overachieve takes time to establish, and it’s not easy for players to come straight in and work it
 
scaramanga said:
Conte's done it a couple of times to him too.

He can be very slow to react to tactical changes at times.
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I think it’s something that will come for Poch.

His skill set was in harnessing youth and getting players into a system that is greater than the sum of their parts. As applicable at Southampton as it is here. What he’s shown here is that he can deal with bigger name players and that he doesn’t need to be wedded to one formation. He didn’t really get the training of knowing how to react in one off games when the stakes are high and it’s crunchtime. I think that’s a bit of learning that he will have taken a lot of this season.

Sometimes he’s done ok in those bigger games but in the cups, I’m still waiting for him to show he’s got the edge. I’m sure it will come, but I think Allegri was a massive learning experience. Nothing wrong with completely shutting up shop, even for 10-20 minutes, lulling the opposition in to thinking they’ve got the game in the bag if they just keep pushing and then bam, picking them off.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
No doubt, and he will have been signed because he is rated and adds something. But if the staff who see him every day think he isn’t ready to know how and when to press, when to drop, who to track etc in the pressure of a high stakes game, I trust their reasoning for leaving him out.

Remember when Poch first joined? 3-0 home defeat to Liverpool. He bemoaned the fact we were leaving gaps all over the place. It was because some players could do what he asked and some couldn’t, and some weren’t there yet. But I think having a system that allows us to overachieve takes time to establish, and it’s not easy for players to come straight in and work it
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Agree with all of that but In Cup knock out games you have to take risks otherwise you have no second chance

I think Poch made his subs based on what he thought would work which is is job, but could have done something different which may have actually worked
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Juve ?

Brought on moura first and then lamella

Last thing we needed was a static lampost (Llorente) against an organised defence

We needed people’s to run at their defence a sthey were all on yellows (hence why moura over lamella as first sub)

Could also have brought rose on and pushed up down the left
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I would have actually bought on Sissoko personally. We needed legs and his physical style would have helped us close the game out better...
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Agree with all of that but In Cup knock out games you have to take risks otherwise you have no second chance

I think Poch made his subs based on what he thought would work which is is job, but could have done something different which may have actually worked
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I agree with this. When we were losing and desperately needed a goal, Moura has shown more than enough to demonstrate he can be a successful impact player. At that stage we had to score otherwise all bets were off anyway.
 
Who were the senior guys that should have 'known better' i.e. known to fall down, scuff the ball out, foul the opponent if they string 2 passes together, moan at the ref etc and why didn't they do it? Too naive, too nice?
 
Bullet said:
Who were the senior guys that should have 'known better' i.e. known to fall down, scuff the ball out, foul the opponent if they string 2 passes together, moan at the ref etc and why didn't they do it? Too naive, too nice?
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I think this is undoubtedly the one area we will have learnt from, because Juve went old school 1980 with their gamesmanship. I thought Verts would've taken on that mantle, but in all honesty it happened so quickly that by the time we got a foothold again we were 2-1 down.

As an aside to those who wanted Moura. I see the point but still think he didn't make a mistake there. Wow had tom keep it tight right to the end, in fact, had we gone hell for leather all guns blazing, we might've lost by three or four. Keeping it tight nearly worked.
 
thfcsteff said:
I think this is undoubtedly the one area we will have learnt from, because Juve went old school 1980 with their gamesmanship. I thought Verts would've taken on that mantle, but in all honesty it happened so quickly that by the time we got a foothold again we were 2-1 down.

As an aside to those who wanted Moura. I see the point but still think he didn't make a mistake there. Wow had tom keep it tight right to the end, in fact, had we gone hell for leather all guns blazing, we might've lost by three or four. Keeping it tight nearly worked.
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But saving a sub????
 
thfcsteff said:
If Kane's header had rolled over the line and along it, would've been seen as a masterstroke and the extra card that might well have won it. Fine, fine margins...
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True
But imagine if he had brought on say sissoko and he followed through on the ball as it came off the bar
 
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