Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

[Gazzasrightboot]

With us paying 22m for Son, it is clear Pochettino is unable to convince any top quality players to join Spurs. And when we do find a decent player, we are forced to pay too much to get them. Of all the players signed under Pochettino (Vorm, Davies, Dier, Yedlin, Fazio, Stambouli, Alli, Wimmer, Trippier, Alderweireld and Njie), Son is the biggest-name player we have managed to get. Of those, only Alli has had some positive impact for us. Pochettino better hope Son will lift him and the team or this will put a big question mark on Pochettino's position as Spurs manager.

I have to ask this but are you drunk? Dier and Fazio have had positive impacts? Alderweireld, Trippier, N'Jie and Wimmer may be a bit too early to decide? And the fee for Son is apparently £18m http://www.skysports.com/football/n...nham-sign-heung-min-son-from-bayer-leverkusen. I don't understand on what basis you think that we have overpaid for Son given his record in Germany?

 

[Spurs7891]

I have to ask this but are you drunk? Dier and Fazio have had positive impacts? Alderweireld, Trippier, N'Jie and Wimmer may be a bit too early to decide? And the fee for Son is apparently £18m http://www.skysports.com/football/n...nham-sign-heung-min-son-from-bayer-leverkusen. I don't understand on what basis you think that we have overpaid for Son given his record in Germany?

Frankly, I'm not convinced of any of Pochettino's signings, apart from Alli so far.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Frankly, I'm not convinced of any of Pochettino's signings, apart from Alli so far.

Are there any teams you'd point to as having a 'convincing' transfer window? Buying players is speculation. Would you have been bowled over by Bale when he signed, or Modric?

We need to let this team settle with Poch. Its crazy saying this, but next summer, hopefully we won't need many players, and Poch can get this group of young highly talented players motivated. I haven't written off this season by any means, point is we need stability now, and to let this coach and young team develop.

 

[milo]

Then riddle me this. Why is it that one all too often talk about Lennon and Lamelas "defensive contribution" rather than their offensive contribution. They are, after all, ATTACKING Midfielders.

I don't see where we can take this conversation if you are not prepared to support your argument with evidence. I think that every argument that you have put up so far has been disproved without reply.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Are there any teams you'd point to as having a 'convincing' transfer window? Buying players is speculation. Would you have been bowled over by Bale when he signed, or Modric?

We need to let this team settle with Poch. Its crazy saying this, but next summer, hopefully we won't need many players, and Poch can get this group of young highly talented players motivated. I haven't written off this season by any means, point is we need stability now, and to let this coach and young team develop.

The best teams transition a side year on year with added genuine quality

No side has gone through a revolution (loads of players in, in one window) and succeeded. It will improve weaker sides big clubs at our level need stability and to be in a position of adding 2 or 3 genuine quality players every season

We have had to go through the clear out process and back fill some of the roles but next season I wouldn't expect more than 3 in and possibly more out as we promote from within

As long as the 3 in are deemed better than we have then that's great business

The key to it all is patience which Unfortunately doesn't exist in modern football

 

[metalgear]

someone tell me what is poch's game plan this season given the players who have come and gone?

 

[ALtottenham_hotspur]

The best teams transition a side year on year with added genuine quality

No side has gone through a revolution (loads of players in, in one window) and succeeded. It will improve weaker sides big clubs at our level need stability and to be in a position of adding 2 or 3 genuine quality players every season

We have had to go through the clear out process and back fill some of the roles but next season I wouldn't expect more than 3 in and possibly more out as we promote from within

As long as the 3 in are deemed better than we have then that's great business

The key to it all is patience which Unfortunately doesn't exist in modern football

Its not nice to admit it but Le Arse are a prime example of this. Man U in their hey day another good example Fergie use to buy two or three new players each season just to keep the other players on their toes. But the core was the same for years. Barca another example.

A prime example of how not to do it is Liverpool, every season they spend big and buy a new team. I admint they have started well but they wont finish in the top 4.

Like others have said I havent written this season off, but it is another building season. The foundations have been built from last season, we our now building on top of them. You cant expect a manager to have his team after 3 transfer windows.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Its not nice to admit it but Le Arse are a prime example of this. Man U in their hey day another good example Fergie use to buy two or three new players each season just to keep the other players on their toes. But the core was the same for years. Barca another example.

A prime example of how not to do it is Liverpool, every season they spend big and buy a new team. I admint they have started well but they wont finish in the top 4.

Like others have said I havent written this season off, but it is another building season. The foundations have been built from last season, we our now building on top of them. You cant expect a manager to have his team after 3 transfer windows.

But when your playing catch up you have to gamble more

Some people would argue we have been too quiet in this window yet we have probably exchanged contracts in around 15 players

Arsenal now don't do enough but you could look at Chelsea and see what they have done and they will be there again in the top two because they add quality and keep it fresh

Barca and Madrid too don't just bulk buy but there clubs in a different position

 

[Bedfordspurs]

someone tell me what is poch's game plan this season given the players who have come and gone?

It will start with score more goals than the opposition... Then evolve into don't let the opposition score

Tactically I can see a hybrid of 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 and hopefully alli and Pritchard picking up quality game experience

 

[Nigeyman]

It will start with score more goals than the opposition... Then evolve into don't let the opposition score

Tactically I can see a hybrid of 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 and hopefully alli and Pritchard picking up quality game experience

ah, thats right outscore the opposition...you must be the brains of this forum

Being serious I think Sunderland away will give me some answers as to poch's motives this season...as in how we set up with our new signings...I consider this Poch's first window where we have bought & sold players to his requirements, although I feel at present the centre of midfield is far from sorted to his liking.

What I do like is that I feel we have the right personnel to have a go at a decent 4-3-3/ 4-2-3-1 as you have suggested, we needed Pace which our new signings have now provided, he has reshaped the defence the only piece missing for me is that coveted DM to stop the defence having kittens.

I think by game 10 we will be seeing poch's dreams in motion...I just hope they are good enough.

 

[metalgear]

Game 10?
feels early ... aside from loris and kane, i think we will still see a lot of experiments in between.

 

[Pirate55]

I don't see where we can take this conversation if you are not prepared to support your argument with evidence. I think that every argument that you have put up so far has been disproved without reply.

I don't agree that you have "disproved" any of my arguments. I suggest you actually watch how these players play rather than simply rely on a heat map which is entirely one dimentional at best. We however do seem to have come to the end of this particular discussion so we will have to agree to disagree on this point.

 

[Nigeyman]

Game 10?
feels early ... aside from loris and kane, i think we will still see a lot of experiments in between.

game 10 in the epl...the europa league is where I think poch will be experimenting.

hmmm maybe your right...game 15.5 it is then.

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

Can someone give me some basic practical differences, between us playing 433 and 4231 with an example of how our player's role may change between the 2 formations? Maybe the wrong thread but I see a lot still being made of these, and in my simple mind, struggle to see the differences.

 

[Nigeyman]

Well I hope that we dont lose all our heads after not winning again.

Typical Spurs as we are undercooked for the start of the season, our worst start for seven years but what the heck.

We need another striker a cm and we need to get new blood, new enthusiasm around Harry Kane to help regain his confidence.

I think its better if people put aside top 4 hopes and put more focus on us hopefully nailing down our style of play and playing better football, perhaps I will panic even more if we cant win away at Sunderland because they are awful.

I dont think we are awful but I do feel we are undercooked and wasteful....we need new blood...and a player to take on an opponent.

Last few days of the window and we need two big signings imo.

Will keep the faith in poch and the boys!

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Well I hope that we dont lose all our heads after not winning again.

Typical Spurs as we are undercooked for the start of the season, our worst start for seven years but what the heck.

We need another striker a cm and we need to get new blood, new enthusiasm around Harry Kane to help regain his confidence.

I think its better if people put aside top 4 hopes and put more focus on us hopefully nailing down our style of play and playing better football, perhaps I will panic even more if we cant win away at Sunderland because they are awful.

I dont think we are awful but I do feel we are undercooked and wasteful....we need new blood...and a player to take on an opponent.

Last few days of the window and we need two big signings imo.

Will keep the faith in poch and the boys!

I thought we looked borderline very good

Hardly gave them a sniff

Created plenty

Played with a plan and stick with it

Yeah we needed a the goal and no decent side has been banging them in so far (and I don't think there is changing of the tide)

It will come but it was a very solis performance

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

I thought we looked borderline very good

Hardly gave them a sniff

Created plenty

Played with a plan and stick with it

Yeah we needed a the goal and no decent side has been banging them in so far (and I don't think there is changing of the tide)

It will come but it was a very solis performance

I agree with that.

 

[AdamB]

Can someone give me some basic practical differences, between us playing 433 and 4231 with an example of how our player's role may change between the 2 formations? Maybe the wrong thread but I see a lot still being made of these, and in my simple mind, struggle to see the differences.

Here's my thoughts:
- for the wide forwards in a 4-3-3, they'll play say 10 yards further up on average than the wide players of the '3' in the 4-2-3-1. In the 4-2-3-1, Kane is pretty much always the furthest forward but in the 4-3-3 Kane might drop deep and one of the wide forwards drift inside
- More defensive responsibilities for a midfielder in a 4-3-3 simply as the forwards in that formation play further forwards
- Look at Barca as an example of a 4-3-3 as the way it woudl work. Messi, Suarez and Neymar, reasonable players admittedly, all play up top and are quite distinct from a 4-2-3-1
- I dont think there's much difference in width between either formation

If we add Berahino then along with Son and Njie, I think it enables us to play either 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Eriksen, Mason and Bentaleb I think might all benefit from 4-3-3. The question is whether you can bed another system down when players are only joining after the season has started

 

[AdamB]

I thought we looked borderline very good

Hardly gave them a sniff

Created plenty

Played with a plan and stick with it

Yeah we needed a the goal and no decent side has been banging them in so far (and I don't think there is changing of the tide)

It will come but it was a very solis performance

agreed, and with Son, Njie and hopefully two more to be added

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

thanks for that AdamB, appreciated, as I was interested in the respective positions, and in particular, the vertical V lateral positions of the front 3 in a 4-3-3 versus the 4 in a 4 2 3 1.