Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

[Raziel]

I thought we looked borderline very good
Hardly gave them a sniff
Created plenty
Played with a plan and stick with it
Yeah we needed a the goal and no decent side has been banging them in so far (and I don't think there is changing of the tide)
It will come but it was a very solis performance

I can be a Poch critic, but today we looked solid, saw Everton play City last week, they probably created more chances against City than us, City was more ruthless than us.

Poch did well to set us up to match Everton's physicality (something they have used to disrupt us before)

Decent performance considering Eriksen was out, add Njie and Son as options, looks ok, still light a striker but assuming we have something lined up.

 

[Jordinho]

thanks for that AdamB, appreciated, as I was interested in the respective positions, and in particular, the vertical V lateral positions of the front 3 in a 4-3-3 versus the 4 in a 4 2 3 1.

As I've seen 433 played, you have one holding midfielder who distributes the ball from the back. He's flanked by two box to box players. The two wide forwards can be whatever you want them to be really. You can play two traditional wingers in a 4-5-1 setup almost, "inverted wingers" if you want more play in and around the box or even three strikers if their movement is sufficient.

 

[Cochise]

Can someone give me some basic practical differences, between us playing 433 and 4231 with an example of how our player's role may change between the 2 formations? Maybe the wrong thread but I see a lot still being made of these, and in my simple mind, struggle to see the differences.

Second half against Leicester we did switch it up to something close to a 433, with Lamela going to the left of Kane. At times Kane dropped deeper with Chadli one the right and Lamela being the furthest forward players.

 

[VolSpur]

Didn't get to watch today but i could imagine we looked a little like this in possession.. and that is to say without balance.




I think the biggest thing we're missing right now (and is hopefully being addressed with our newest additions) is a balanced side with players actually playing in their natural positions.

You've got to have the right players obviously, but I think it's more important to have the right guys in the right position in the team with everyone playing to their strengths.

This so far is one of my biggest concerns with Poch. Instead of being flexible and changing the formation, he's asking players to play out of position more often than not. The players he played today are more suited to a 5-3-1-1 than a 4-2-3-1. Instead of showing he's flexible and can change up the formation to adapt to the players at his disposal, he's instead trying to just make certain players play roles they're never fit to play in.

This is one of the main reasons I feel Eriksen is disposable and could be sold (though that's for another thread). He's just not a LWF or even a LAM. He needs to play in a 3 man midfield as the CAM but we don't (and apparently under Poch, will never) play a 4-3-3 formation.

 

[Maltese Falcon]

Quite a positive performance yesterday and with last year's Kane would have scored two goals

BUT I continue to be underwhelmed by Poch's ability (or inability) to see what is happening in the game and make the necessary tactical changes. I was watching Chelsea; immediately Palace scored their first goal, Mourinho put on Falcao at the restart and went to two up front. The result: they overloaded the box and he got the equaliser before their crap defence gave way again.

It was so obvious that Dembele was slowing down our game and he should have pulled him off at half time. But, as unfortunately is often the case, he was too scared to make a bold move until fate made it for him. Once Alli came on for the injured Dembele we suddenly moved up a gear, Then on 60 - 70 minutes it was equally obvious that Mason had nothing left in the tank and THAT was the time he needed to bring on Pritchard. Instead he procrastinated until the 85 minute when it was then too late for him to make a decent impact.

Hope that this rabbit in the floodlights trait mellows with experience but as @VolSpur also comments, his tactical nous and flexibility has - up till now not - been exactly overwhelming...

 

[Jurgen the German]

Quite a positive performance yesterday and with last year's Kane would have scored two goals

BUT I continue to be underwhelmed by Poch's ability (or inability) to see what is happening in the game and make the necessary tactical changes. I was watching Chel53a; immediately Palace scored their first goal, Mourinho put on Falcao at the restart and went to two up front. The result: they overloaded the box and he got the equaliser before their crap defence gave way again.

It was so obvious that Dembele was slowing down our game and he should have pulled him off at half time. But, as unfortunately is often the case, he was too scared to make a bold move until fate made it for him. Once Alli came on for the injured Dembele we suddenly moved up a gear, Then on 60 - 70 minutes it was equally obvious that Mason had nothing left in the tank and THAT was the time he needed to bring on Pritchard. Instead he procrastinated until the 85 minute when it was then too late for him to make a decent impact.

Hope that this rabbit in the floodlights trait mellows with experience but as @VolSpur also comments, his tactical nous and flexibility has - up till now not - been exactly overwhelming...

I like a lot of things about Poch, he's actually our most likeable manager since Jol, but I am concerned as you are with the team selections , subs and tactics. He's a young manager granted, but some of his team selections really do make me scratch my head. He really needs to get a win as the pressure will mount if we go another 2-3 games without a win and we have the unenviable task of Emirates Marketing Project at home in September so we have to win the next few games before then.

 

[metalgear]

And by the way, Soldado has 2 goals and 2 assist in 2 games already.

 

[Nigeyman]

Well great for Soldado and very good for him.

I too would register a concern regarding Poch, his team selection, his decisions in game, and I pointed it out yesterday in the match thread of our lack of balance...the graphic from @VolSpur pretty much highlights this.

For me personally I hate to see Dembele in the three behind the striker on the wing, I still see him as a centre midfield option and I cant see what he offers us in an attacking sense.

Of course I am not asking for an axe to be wielded, but some strange team selections and subs harmed us at the beginning of last season to.Two weeks from know depending on personnel available and injuries I expect to see a more attacking/balanced line up against Sunderland...a game I now feel we have put enormous pressure on ourselves to win.

Pritchard should have come on 10-15 mins earlier for Mason who was ineffective in the second half and I dont understand why Poch reacted so late.

We require some width and balance and I really hope our new signings address this.

This post is not designed to slag poch off or be overly negative...we played very well yesterday, we were solid with no cutting edge, I cant see what goes on in training, I just hope poch stops making strange team selections and is a bit more on the button when it comes to subs.

 

[Baleforce]

i'm seeing improvement in the unit and improvement in individuals, many of whom are young and inexperienced, lets just let the guy do his job

 

[Tottenhammattspur]

Are there any teams you'd point to as having a 'convincing' transfer window? Buying players is speculation. Would you have been bowled over by Bale when he signed, or Modric?

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Mate, I was jumping for joy when we got those two and Berbatov.

I'd never heard of Wimmer, who hasn't even made a match day squad yet, Fazio, Stambouli, Dier etc.

 

[glasgowspur]

All these posts about wrong teams and subs, can anyone point out the PROVEN players we have who aren't getting a game?
Weird

 

[Nigeyman]

i'm seeing improvement in the unit and improvement in individuals, many of whom are young and inexperienced, lets just let the guy do his job

More than prepared to let him get on with things but the guy is not immune from making mistakes thus receiving criticism...im sure he accepts this its par of the course of being our manager.

I have not agreed with all of his choices lately, that does not mean I want him gone or that I dont feel positive about the future because I do.

 

[Nigeyman]

All these posts about wrong teams and subs, can anyone point out the PROVEN players we have who aren't getting a game?
Weird

Shoot me down if you think I am wrong by all means....I didnt say it when I first saw the team list yesterday because I did not want to be negative...but I knew we would be lopsided...and congested in the middle of the park, and I did not see enough goal threat in the side/bench but that is more our transfer failings/injuries than anything Poch has done anyway.......

To answer your question I would have done the following yesterday with injuries and lack of options.

Lloris

Walker Toby Verts Davies

Dier Dembele

Chadli Mason Rose

Kane

Yes Rose at left wing I know....I guarantee had we played that way we would have been far more balanced and dangerous on the wings....Dembele could have driven forward centrally while Dier sat back. Of course this is just my opinion and open to be called bol*ocks.

I like Poch, how he conducts himself...how he represents our club....but he is guilty of putting square pegs in round holes and not acting quickly enough in games to give us an edge.

In summary if our young players have a lot to learn...the way I see it our young coach has a lot to learn also...I would like to think he thinks this way too because if he thinks he knows it all then we are fecked.

 

[billyiddo]

Complains about square pegs in round holes then names a side with a left back at LWF

 

[glasgowspur]

Not aimed solely at you nigeyman, seems to me a lot of posters picking fault when it's obvious that we don't have to many options.
I think that's a good reply you have given up to the guarantee bit, there is no guarantee.
Look at the team this time last year and now, last year was full of experience but I think we look a much better side now, mainly because we are getting better fitting players. I've said from the start, it needs to be evolution not revolution, and we are evolving.

 

[GrimsbyYid]

How can you criticise poch and then say we should've played THAT!?

I was a big critic of Poch last year for all the reasons people are worried now. But at least we are playing well, just no cutting edge. njie and son excite me by being different to what we have, get berahino and a midfielder and I'd be excited to see how we do. Hopefully he, and our young squad, will learn and improve constantly.

 

[Nigeyman]

Complains about square pegs in round holes then names a side with a left back at LWF

sorry can you tell me did D Rose start his career as a lb?

he can play the role and we would have been more balanced. Rather than every kn.ob and his dog in a spurs shirt trying to play the no 10 role.

 

[Nigeyman]

How can you criticise poch and then say we should've played THAT!?

I was a big critic of Poch last year for all the reasons people are worried now. But at least we are playing well, just no cutting edge. njie and son excite me by being different to what we have, get berahino and a midfielder and I'd be excited to see how we do. Hopefully he, and our young squad, will learn and improve constantly.

Because it was a viable option and would have given us more balance and made us more effective imo.

Some on here have changed their tune...I am not saying that we didnt play well.

 

[GrimsbyYid]

Because it was a viable option and would have given us more balance and made us more effective imo.

Some on here have changed their tune...I am not saying that we didnt play well.

I think rose works as a left back BECAUSE Chadli comes in and he overlaps. If rose was the winger he wouldn't have as much space. But anyway, never ever going to happen so pointless talking about it.

 

[Nigeyman]

I think rose works as a left back BECAUSE Chadli comes in and he overlaps. If rose was the winger he wouldn't have as much space. But anyway, never ever going to happen so pointless talking about it.

But it was an option, and I have raised concerns before that he seems to be unflexible...others have suggested he is incapable of thinking outside the box.

Look at the side I put down again, compare it to the graphic @VolSpur put up.

ask yourself and tell me honestly if you dont think its more balanced there? Dembele is at lcm where he should be, in fact all of the left footers are in the right place. Why couldnt we have had Davies overlapping Rose and Walker overlapping Chadli?

But yes I am not one for being overly critical and negative...you should know this about me by now. I am trying to show there was an alternative available to poch with the limited options we had yesterday, an alternative where I genuinely believe we would have played better and increased our chances of winning.

Sunderland away hopefully we will have more options available to us and in future I wouldnt be suggesting we put Rose up to lmf/lwf.

I am behind Poch and the boys and yes I am slightly frustrated as I think Poch could be doing better.