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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

braineclipse said:
I think we saw last night what we can do with the diamond. Relentless pressing and we looked alright, once our energy dropped we looked very vulnerable.

I can get using the diamond for periods of games. Starting that way last night, accepting an open game, end to end stuff, try to shock them and roll the dice. I can't understand continuing in that formation after our energy levels entirely predictably drops and the gaps in the diamond start opening up. Particularly when the roll of the dice had paid off, we got the lead, we had them where we wanted. Change it to something more solid, we had the players to do it.

One might say Pochettino got beat in the tactical, thinking, management aspect of the game. I think reality is he defeated himself. Kovac did basic stuff and Pochettino watched as the predictable became inevitable.
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The diamond is brick. It leaves Aurier exposed to one vs one's, unless Sissoko comes across to rescue him, which them leaves a massive hole in midfield with Winks facing a 2v1. Its fudging flimflam.
 
AdamB said:
Thats a fair comparison. There are often games which are a turning point for a manager, and when they lose the fans. Tonight feels like that moment

That said, if he changes formation and wins the next two I still think he can come back from this...but he needs to lose the arrogance and stroppy-ness and go back to what was successful, namely 4-2-3-1. Otherwise I'd rather we sack him now than wait til xmas
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As far as I could see Poch clearly changed it at half time, so we were playing 4-2-3-1 when we conceded those sloppy goals to make at 4-1. It’s not all about the formation.
 
If Poch believes he can turn things around and - more importantly - if he wants to stay to turn things around, then for me he has earned the right to have that chance.
There were enough positive things in the first half hour to make me hope the Poch-Spurs of not so long ago is still lurking underneath. Even had we kept it at 2-4 it would have course have been annoying and frustrating and disappointing, but that shocker of a scoreline and our ultimate capitulation over-rides everything.
Time for Poch to step up now and make things right.
Brighton on Saturday needs to be to us what Watford were to City after their defeat to Norwich.
 
Embarrassing manager, embarrassing players, embarrassing coach staff, embarrassing bar staff (even in premium seating last night), embarrassing stewards, embarrassing fans (I include me in this) embarrassing club. Embarrassing record holders. The whole club is a joke and is a waste of a Premier league space. Hopefully we get relegated and go into administration in the next few years to put all of us out of our misery once and for all.

Actually not going to any single game at the lane this year. Fortunately you can whack all your games on ticket exchange in one go which is what I'm doing.

Bunch of clams, whole fudging club.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
If Poch believes he can turn things around and - more importantly - if he wants to stay to turn things around, then for me he has earned the right to have that chance.
There were enough positive things in the first half hour to make me hope the Poch-Spurs of not so long ago is still lurking underneath. Even had we kept it at 2-4 it would have course have been annoying and frustrating and disappointing, but that shocker of a scoreline and our ultimate capitulation over-rides everything.
Time for Poch to step up now and make things right.
Brighton on Saturday needs to be to us what Watford were to City after their defeat to Norwich.
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His post match comments about just needing to try harder were worryingly Sherwood/Redknapp/Mike Basset.

If he sees some strategic importance in not standing up and admitting he got it wrong then let's see that play out. If he really believes that then he's already past his sell by date.
 
braineclipse said:
I think we saw last night what we can do with the diamond. Relentless pressing and we looked alright, once our energy dropped we looked very vulnerable.

I can get using the diamond for periods of games. Starting that way last night, accepting an open game, end to end stuff, try to shock them and roll the dice. I can't understand continuing in that formation after our energy levels entirely predictably drops and the gaps in the diamond start opening up. Particularly when the roll of the dice had paid off, we got the lead, we had them where we wanted. Change it to something more solid, we had the players to do it.

One might say Pochettino got beat in the tactical, thinking, management aspect of the game. I think reality is he defeated himself. Kovac did basic stuff and Pochettino watched as the predictable became inevitable.
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Does help if the opposition have a 70% shot to goal rate. Almost everything they got went in and was unsaveable. That’s pretty freakish but also credit to them. Some of our defending was pub standard
 
scaramanga said:
His post match comments about just needing to try harder were worryingly Sherwood/Redknapp/Mike Basset.

If he sees some strategic importance in not standing up and admitting he got it wrong then let's see that play out. If he really believes that then he's already past his sell by date.
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Fair enough I haven't listened to his post match comments, only heard some paraphrasing on the radio this morning.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
If Poch believes he can turn things around and - more importantly - if he wants to stay to turn things around, then for me he has earned the right to have that chance.
There were enough positive things in the first half hour to make me hope the Poch-Spurs of not so long ago is still lurking underneath. Even had we kept it at 2-4 it would have course have been annoying and frustrating and disappointing, but that shocker of a scoreline and our ultimate capitulation over-rides everything.
Time for Poch to step up now and make things right.
Brighton on Saturday needs to be to us what Watford were to City after their defeat to Norwich.
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This was probably my position before last night but I think I've just lost faith in the guy. Before the Southampton game on Irish TV, they put up 6-7 quotes from Poch over the last few months and it brought home how disrespectful he's been to the club and the players. I can't recall Conte for example, who had everyone against him at Chelsea in the last few months, coming out with the guff Poch is coming out with. Jose is the only one who has done similar that I can recall and we know how toxic he can be.

Feels like he has no clue how to turn it around and isn't acting like a leader anymore.
 
I’m at home now and have ssn on, just heard his post match comments the one that just stuck out for me was at HT "it was my best feeling managing the team this season", wtf was he watching, the first half was a basketball game it was not a good performance, we were wide open.

O and heard Gnabry’s comment he is a absolute clam and should be treated as such.
 
scaramanga said:
His post match comments about just needing to try harder were worryingly Sherwood/Redknapp/Mike Basset.

If he sees some strategic importance in not standing up and admitting he got it wrong then let's see that play out. If he really believes that then he's already past his sell by date.
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If he thinks they are not trying hard enough why is he not reverting to what he did when he first arrived?

Kaboul etc ditched for Mason and the like?

When a manager says they need to work harder it’s always a worry, it sounds like they don’t have much of a clue how to fix it.
 
Legohamster said:
If he thinks they are not trying hard enough why is he not reverting to what he did when he first arrived?

Kaboul etc ditched for Mason and the like?

When a manager says they need to work harder it’s always a worry, it sounds like they don’t have much of a clue how to fix it.
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Precisely.
 
glasgowspur said:
I would hate to see him go, but some of this is starting to look and feel all to familiar.

No lamela in our last two starting line ups? Especially in that abomination of a line up tonight, wtf was that poch?

It can't be easy with at least three of the core of the team (eriksen, Toby and rose) wanting out and question marks of various types over Jan, dier, aurier and wanyama but surely we can do better than this.

I don't care who the manager is no one is going to sort that out quickly.
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Do you really think starting Lamela would have made a significant difference? Like yourself I did think starting Dele was a strange decision ( I would have gone for Eriksen personally) but we ultimately conceded 7. Who were selected as the nominal ACM wouldn't have made a difference.

The major issue was the shape and how easily Bayern were able to play into spaces around our FBs.

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We played absolutely fine without him, before the sending off it looked like a match where we might have racked up quite a few goals. I don't believe you can say Lamela not starting Saturday was a mistake.

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