Baleforce
Les Bennett
Yep
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Keep/Sell - who?
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Yep
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
He knew how to find the back of the net playing ad hoc with our disjointed squad. That in itself is a big deal, so why risk someone else where that is an unknown?
Bullet
Colin Calderwood
They looked at Vinicius every day for a year and decided he wasn't good enough for whatever reason. Could be style, attitude, fitness, talent, hunger, mentality, anything. But they saw him every day so that is a pretty good assessment.
IF they had decided to keep him, some people would be saying Spurs should not have settled for him as an easy option.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
He did…. Playing against some very poor sides though
10 goals
3 vs Marine… so the lowest level club we have ever faced
2 at Home vs Ludogrets
1 at home vs Antwerp
2 at home vs Wolfsberger and 1 away vs them
His league goal came vs Villa and he played well
Personally I’d expect more for £30m but he would have needed more games to justify that too so you have to wonder wh6 he didn’t get those chances
he started 3 league games and came on in 6
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
2 we didn’t own
We did swap lamela for Gil and so far Gil has played as much as lamela would have… don’t forget lamela was broken regularly
I agree we needed more though
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
Kane's contract?
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Says a lot about our season.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Even the games when Kane was injured
Bishop
Nick Barmby
It seems like you don't really think we should sell anyone.[emoji28]How do we improve in that case? No more chances, no more let's see if they can improve. A lot of them simply aren't of the required standard and should be moved on.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Bit early to say, a lot of players let us down in the Conference, but there have been positives in the league games.
Will see over the coming weeks who responds well to Conte on and off the pitch.
Wouldn't be against selling players I personally rate of they're not right for Conteball. Need to raise money, need to clear space in the squad. A lot of them have a lot to prove before January, but then it probably depends on who we get decent offers for, and Conte will have to keep working with the rest until the summer.
Hoping for one, maybe two, good signings in January. Striker, CB, central midfielder, right wing back would be my priorities, not necessarily in that order. Again as much about who we can do deals for really.
Will see over the coming weeks who responds well to Conte on and off the pitch.
Wouldn't be against selling players I personally rate of they're not right for Conteball. Need to raise money, need to clear space in the squad. A lot of them have a lot to prove before January, but then it probably depends on who we get decent offers for, and Conte will have to keep working with the rest until the summer.
Hoping for one, maybe two, good signings in January. Striker, CB, central midfielder, right wing back would be my priorities, not necessarily in that order. Again as much about who we can do deals for really.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Sorry to focus on just one point in what's a nuancd and good post.
Davies is a centre back now. He's our best option as the left sided centre back and it doesn't even seem close. Only left footer. Other options?
-Dier. Probably makes us weaker in two positions, central and left centre back. Makes Dier significantly worse on the ball as he'd be forced onto his left a lot more.
-Rodon. Has played on the left in a two, but in a three? One of those dragged off against Mura and seems like Conte is the next in what is becoming a list of managers not rating him for the current moment at the very least.
-Tanganga. Maybe. Has done OK as a left back in a four. The issues on the ball would be clear and worrying though, if he's even up to it defensively and that's still a question in need of an answer imo.
-Romero. No. We don't play our best centre back in what would probably be his worst role.
-Sanchez. Just no.
Davies is extremely important right now. Even if we signed another left footed (or clearly both footed) CB in January that's a clear improvement on Davies (and I think that will be difficult) we'd only have that player and no good backup/rotation option.
Romero injury has hit us quite hard I think, I think an injury yo Davies would be worse. He's a very good fit for this system, despite his rather obvious weaknesses as a CB he's a key player right now. He should be on the "do not sell, just don't" list, for now at least.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
It seems like you don't really think we should sell anyone.How do we improve in that case? No more chances, no more let's see if they can improve. A lot of them simply aren't of the required standard and should be moved on.
Improving players. Creating a better functioning unit through a better drilled system. Getting more out of players. That's what Conte is supposed to be good at.
Afsoc lists several players he thinks we could or should sell, others to be loaned out.
No doubt we need transfer activity, in and out. How much and who is the question. The suggestions from Afsoc would leave 5-6 squad positions to fill. If we do and fill those with the right players over the next couple of windows that should improve its massively. But if Conte is unable to improve players already here we're in a ton of trouble. We can't just buy our way out of this.
Bishop
Nick Barmby
Dude we are in a ton of trouble if you hadn't already noticed. [emoji28]
You can improve but you can improve only so far. The evidence is clear. Throw them all out with the bath water. [emoji1787]
In all seriousness if finishing 4th at best (on everyone's else's worst day) is what you want then sure keep them and see if they can be improved. You will find yourself disappointed.
I wonder what you guys are watching. We've played with more energy sure, but we still create virtual nothing, we still go entire halves without a shot on target. Conte is telling you himself he's not a miracle worker, he will players that's for and are of the required quality. We don't have enough of those.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
Finishing fourth behind city, Liverpool and Chelsea is not something to be scoffed at.
Utd are a mess, mainly from non football decisions impacting on the football.
Arsenal are still trying to come to terms with the changes in football since wenger was a pioneer and they were a big club.
I heard this morning on the radio that Everton had spent half a billion pounds on transfers in five years. Not sure i heard this right.
The top three are in a league of their own and with money to burn, we are not in a position to compete with them, and neither is anyone else.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
Lo Celso must go, with the current health crisis the country cant afford to have such a liability draining the time of health care workers.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Dude we are in a ton of trouble if you hadn't already noticed.
You can improve but you can improve only so far. The evidence is clear. Throw them all out with the bath water.
In all seriousness if finishing 4th at best (on everyone's else's worst day) is what you want then sure keep them and see if they can be improved. You will find yourself disappointed.
I wonder what you guys are watching. We've played with more energy sure, but we still create virtual nothing, we still go entire halves without a shot on target. Conte is telling you himself he's not a miracle worker, he will players that's for and are of the required quality. We don't have enough of those.
I really don't get what speculation about what me and others want in a clearly dismissive way adds to the conversation. What are you trying to do with comments like this? This the level of discourse you prefer?
We've not been great. We've been not great without Lo Celso.
I'm not against adding more quality through transfers. But I also know there's a limit to how much we can spend.
When Conte won the PL with Chelsea he had several players that weren't that highly rated performing really well. Or for another example, before Tichel took over Chelsea they seemed happy to get rid of Rudiger, now he's a key player for them. When Pochettino took over for us. Etc. Etc.
Bishop
Nick Barmby
I'm not being dismissive just a bit pithy. Maybe it's not coming through well in text. My issue is for too long we keep hoping for the best and not looking at these players through an objective lens. They are not of the required standard and Conte alone isn't going to change that. Swapping out 5 squad players isn't going to change that.
Rudiger is an interesting example but Rudiger was always a better defender than say Dier or Sanchez, they were just managed by a bit of a clown in Lampard. To say Conte won the PL with unrated players is alsoa bit of a revionsist take, just 2 seasons previous they had won the PL. If those are players who are unrated what does that make ours? [emoji1787]
I think I'm just realistic. We barely have a functioning 11 let alone a squad. It needs work and we need to stop hoping for the magic panaca that will fix all the ills. The only thing that will fix the squad is replacing the broken parts and there are a lot of them. Im not saying finishing 4th behind the the title lot is a bad thing I'm saying that West Ham are far more likely to do it this season if we go under the false hope that secretly we have a great side.
Bullet
Colin Calderwood
Me too, I flickin love pancakes.
Define "far more likely". They're well drilled, but brickerer than us.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Pithy is fine. If you have to make the assumption that other Spurs fans don't want more success for the club for your argument to be pithy that's more of a pity than anything.
I don't think Conte is a magic panacea. I think he's one of the best managers in the world capable of improving players and making flawed players play better through drilling an effective system into the team. In that process some players will do much better, some will fall to the side and will have to be replaced.
If anything you seem to think of the transfer market as a magic panacea. Just sell everyone currently not good enough and buy better players. If I saw this as a viable solution I would be all for it, however I don't think we have enough money to actually succeed with that strategy.
We need signings, but we also need to make some of the players already here perform at a higher level more consistently so that we can focus our transfer activity on some key areas/players.
Not looking to further sidetrack this discussion into a Chelsea one. Victor Moses as a wing back though. That's what Conte is capable of.
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
So priorities in the January window...
Those that look like they can perform under Conte:
Sell Ndombele, Dele, Gollini, Doherty and Rodon (the last three only if replacements can be found) if Conte doesn't want them.
Buy GK (low prioirty), LCB, RWB and CF (all high priority), and perhaps a CAM if Conte wants us to set up a little differently?
Those that look like they can perform under Conte:
Lloris/?
Romero/Tanganga...Dier/Romero...Davies/?
(with Sanchez as an injury back up)
Royal/?..[two from Skipp/Hojbjerg/Winks]...Reguilon/Sessegnon
[two from Son/Lucas/Bergwijn/Gil/Lo Celso]
Kane/?
Romero/Tanganga...Dier/Romero...Davies/?
(with Sanchez as an injury back up)
Royal/?..[two from Skipp/Hojbjerg/Winks]...Reguilon/Sessegnon
[two from Son/Lucas/Bergwijn/Gil/Lo Celso]
Kane/?
Sell Ndombele, Dele, Gollini, Doherty and Rodon (the last three only if replacements can be found) if Conte doesn't want them.
Buy GK (low prioirty), LCB, RWB and CF (all high priority), and perhaps a CAM if Conte wants us to set up a little differently?