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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

DeanoAustin said:
If this goes tits up this early, it’s difficult to see where Levy goes next.

Can’t see Jose leaving anytime soon though.
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Levy has never been afraid to act before, and will do so this time if the brand is being damaged and fans are turning against Jose/the team. If we're 7th or lower in december and playing desperately poor football then Levy will act

I don't know where he'll go next, but clubs often go to the opposite of the manager who failed. So probably a younger, up and coming manager who could be here for 5-10 years. Similar style to Poch
 
glorygloryeze said:
That's my point: we had the January transfer window BEFORE corona hit so we can't use that situation as an excuse for ENIC, well staying being like ENIC (even though they hired the manager least likely to fit in with what ENIC are about...)
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Son wasn't injured at that point, and we'd signed another wide forward in Bergwijn

Corona has affected our business in this window though, with Jose having a much clearer idea of what he needs having been here nearly a year
 
AdamB said:
Levy has never been afraid to act before, and will do so this time if the brand is being damaged and fans are turning against Jose/the team. If we're 7th or lower in december and playing desperately poor football then Levy will act

I don't know where he'll go next, but clubs often go to the opposite of the manager who failed. So probably a younger, up and coming manager who could be here for 5-10 years. Similar style to Poch
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You could be right but Levy has said that Jose is one of the two top class coaches in the league. If you can’t get success with who you deem to be the best and you’ve tried other approaches with a similar lack of (trophy) success, eventually you’ve got to look in the mirror.
 
galeforce said:
yep, players like Kane, Son, Alli, Lamela
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Bit of an issue here besides Kane and Son we don't have any players performing at best in the league level. Toby has significantly physically declined past that level, Eriksen has left, Jan has left, Ali had a brief period where he could have been considered such and Lamela has never even been a best at Spurs player let alone the entire league.

Poch had a system and coaching style that maximised the qualities of the players he did have. Without that physicality and enthusiasm of youth we really are no better than lower top 6 in quality, fortunate to have a world class striker in Kane and a close to world class maverick in Son.
 
galeforce said:
I don't think thats fair, they all dropped off considerably under Poch imo

other than Lamela obvs, always awesome
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The drop-off under Poch was probably physical (4 years of bruising training schedules followed by no extra bodies to relieve the strain when we bought NO-ONE) and mental (all this hard graft for no reward when we just fail at the last hurdle).

No such reasons so far, apart form they are not being coached to use their skillset in ways that benefit both them AND the team...
 
galeforce said:
Son wasn't injured at that point, and we'd signed another wide forward in Bergwijn

Corona has affected our business in this window though, with Jose having a much clearer idea of what he needs having been here nearly a year
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As i say, Jose cannot function without his big number 9 to pump balls to. Everyone in football knows that, and he doesn't exactly hide it. Corona was no excuse to NOT get that kind of forward despite getting Bergwijn. That was ENIC all over: manager needs a CB, they don't get one but spot an opportunity to buy a winger instead...:D

That's why i keep mentioning ENIC in this: there is ALWAYS an excuse..
 
DeanoAustin said:
You could be right but Levy has said that Jose is one of the two top class coaches in the league. If you can’t get success with who you deem to be the best and you’ve tried other approaches with a similar lack of (trophy) success, eventually you’ve got to look in the mirror.
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Indeed; i think BOTH Jose and Levy are in the last chance saloons imo
 
glorygloryeze said:
The drop-off under Poch was probably physical (4 years of bruising training schedules followed by no extra bodies to relieve the strain when we bought NO-ONE) and mental (all this hard graft for no reward when we just fail at the last hurdle).

No such reasons so far, apart form they are not being coached to use their skillset in ways that benefit both them AND the team...
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it was more about the timing than the reasoning, Jose and his team still have to work to get those players back to peak fitness though, they are all too young to be lost causes, their best years should be ahead of them, if they work hard enough in the correct environment
 
galeforce said:
it was more about the timing than the reasoning, Jose and his team still have to work to get those players back to peak fitness though, they are all too young to be lost causes, their best years should be ahead of them, if they work hard enough in the correct environment
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"Correct environment" - bingo...!
 
glorygloryeze said:
As i say, Jose cannot function without his big number 9 to pump balls to. Everyone in football knows that, and he doesn't exactly hide it. Corona was no excuse to NOT get that kind of forward despite getting Bergwijn. That was ENIC all over: manager needs a CB, they don't get one but spot an opportunity to buy a winger instead...:D

That's why i keep mentioning ENIC in this: there is ALWAYS an excuse..
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I think thats an oversimplification of a large body of work, Chelsea were so much more than Drogba, Inter more than Milito, he didn't have that kind of player at Madrid, at United it was Lukaku, who was useless. His most important work was done without the ball imo.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Indeed; i think BOTH Jose and Levy are in the last chance saloons imo
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if it's the end of Levy thats the end of the experiment, the end of us, if ENIC go we'll just be some crazy spending football club, what's the point in that, if we're not going to win differently than everyone else, better than everyone else, fudge it
 
billyiddo said:
Levy is the one who hands out the chances
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Hmm, genrally i agree. But there was something i read somewhere in the Spurs blogo-socialmediasphere some months back that people in the ENIC/Spurs hierarchy were struggling to understand why the ways we operate in terms of transfer dealings were still as though we were where we were in 2004/05 and not at the levels we were now..and that Levy was the reason - and that they were tired of it.

The article/rumour said that a plan was in place in future to move Levy to deal with more 'property porfolio' stuff but do it in a way that would save him some face, e..g "Levy hasn't the time to juggle between the football and this new property (or whatever project) that is the biggest ever seen in London."

I found the post/piece interesting but didn't think much more about it, until we hired Trevor Birch and started to wonder....

My point being that perhaps Levy is not foolproof himself amongst his peers in the club's top hierarchy who might feel similarly to how some fans feel re how he seems to operate..
 
galeforce said:
I think thats an oversimplification of a large body of work, Chelsea were so much more than Drogba, Inter more than Milito, he didn't have that kind of player at Madrid, at United it was Lukaku, who was useless. His most important work was done without the ball imo.
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Chelsea were much more than Drigba, true: they had the very best players and squad in the league by some distance at the time.
Ditto, Inter.
Some would argue similarly with Real Madrid, though of course Pep and Barca were at their pinnacle and he was a big part of bringing Pep and Barca down..once he did that he couldn't really function without being able to hit teams on the break; when they were forced to try and break teams down he often floundered, hence he never made it to a CL final despite that squad, which was probably the best he's EVER worked with. He was eventually undone by Simeone and his own new park-the-bus tactics.
He chose to buy Lukaku and that highlights my point: when Jose has to have his teams be at the forefront and not "play like the underdog an hit on the break" he generally doesn't know how to coach in such a way, hence the reversion to hoof it football constantly.
I mean think about hit: he was manager of United with all their resources and the main striker he bought was Lukaku! Says it all..
 
glorygloryeze said:
Chelsea were much more than Drigba, true: they had the very best players and squad in the league by some distance at the time.
Ditto, Inter.
Some would argue similarly with Real Madrid, though of course Pep and Barca were at their pinnacle and he was a big part of bringing Pep and Barca down..once he did that he couldn't really function without being able to hit teams on the break; when they were forced to try and break teams down he often floundered, hence he never made it to a CL final despite that squad, which was probably the best he's EVER worked with. He was eventually undone by Simeone and his own new park-the-bus tactics.
He chose to buy Lukaku and that highlights my point: when Jose has to have his teams be at the forefront and not "play like the underdog an hit on the break" he generally doesn't know how to coach in such a way, hence the reversion to hoof it football constantly.
I mean think about hit: he was manager of United with all their resources and the main striker he bought was Lukaku! Says it all..
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They wanted Kane but we’re laughed at
They wanted some others too but Lukaku was one they could get and he is arguably only being replaced now by United
 
Bedfordspurs said:
They wanted Kane but we’re laughed at
They wanted some others too but Lukaku was one they could get and he is arguably only being replaced now by United
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I say it's probably a mixture of a) Jose mainly wanted big lumps and b) those who offered more than that wouldn't have wanted to play in a Jose-coached team (this last bit might just be my bias, i admit)
 
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