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Jordon Peterson

kendoddsdadsdog said:
On the subject of Peterson himself, if anyone was still in any doubt as to the man’s political leanings and/ or level of grift, I see he’s now joined up with the bastion of liberal “free speech” the Daily Wire.
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He has said a couple of things I agree with. Notably how men have been screwed over, through history. With a very small minority prospering.

Thing about him is and I say this as someone who has been accused of being on the spectrum. He is a bullsitter and on a wind up deliberately trying to get peoples backs up.

I find this people easy to spot. Hard to articulate what makes them so but easy to spot.

Also slightly off topic but anyone I have ever meet who has been described by someone else as a jack the lad. Has been a cnut.

Men in their 20 and 30s who walk with the feet kicked out to the side will always cheat on their wife's. Usually when they tell said wife they are out playing golf with the 'boys'
 
Lilbaz said:
No, i said in the next sentence skin colour can be a factor.

If i said murder is a more serious crime than *struggle cuddle*. It doesn't mean *struggle cuddle* isn't a serious crime.
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Nice try. You’ve argued about white privilege in earlier posts and your view is pretty clear.
 
Baleforce said:
Skin colour is (if I’ve correctly remembered my unconscious bias training) the second thing we notice in a person after their sex.

We are predisposed to judge on this. It’s remembering that we have that instinctive flaw that’s important.
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Everyone has biases whether they are conscious or unconscious. Most people, regardless of their race are lean towards people similar to them. Some people interpret the statement “ I believe the most qualified person should get the job “ is a micro aggression as somehow you are implying that certain groups have a leg up in the recruitment process. My team are losing a member to maternity leave. Speaking for myself, I just want them to hire whoever is the best fit and makes my life easier. Would be nice if they’re not a clam too. But I couldn’t really care less what their background is.
 
milo said:
Peterson is a fash gateway drug.
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Lilbaz said:
My father was irish. My mothers family were roma/coal miners. Spent a lot of my youth in ireland, no running water, electricity toilet was at the bottom of the garden so at night you'd tinkle out a window. Lived on a council estate in london. So i don't relate to colonialism or white privilege.

Don't get me wrong, i've lived in india and se asia, so have seen real poverty. The slums of mumbai etc... But the countyside was not much different.
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Saying that white privelege is a thing isn't saying that all white people have had a priveleged life or that all white people have more privelege than all non white people.

Sounds like you've experienced more than your fair share of a lack of privelege. Many examples of that, that shouldn't be discounted. Very few on the left I'm exposed to at least seem willing to discount that.
 
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Danishfurniturelover said:
He has said a couple of things I agree with. Notably how men have been screwed over, through history. With a very small minority prospering.

Thing about him is and I say this as someone who has been accused of being on the spectrum. He is a bullsitter and on a wind up deliberately trying to get peoples backs up.

I find this people easy to spot. Hard to articulate what makes them so but easy to spot.

Also slightly off topic but anyone I have ever meet who has been described by someone else as a jack the lad. Has been a cnut.

Men in their 20 and 30s who walk with the feet kicked out to the side will always cheat on their wife's. Usually when they tell said wife they are out playing golf with the 'boys'
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I agree with your description of him.

He's unnecessarily mean spirited about people with little influence and power. I think that at the very least can be a fairly solid indicator.

He does say things I agree with too for sure.
 
Lilbaz said:
I see it more as a class or wealth issue rather than skin colour. People judge others on appearance but also how they speak. Yes skin colour can be a factor for some, but how you dress, how good looking you are, if you're over weight, aggressive or charming, if you remind them of someone they hate/love. All have a factor in how people react to you.
The police get a lot of stick, some deserved, some not. But it was the officers that asked for bodycams. Because they wanted interactions with the public recorded.
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But when wealth correlates with sin colour that's not to be studied or to be part of the conversation.

Skin colour can be a factor for some. So there's a benefit to having one skin colour?

Skin colour benefit sure sounds a lot like white privelege to me.
 

Stephen Fry’s views on PC pretty much mirror mine. And he references the debate he had where he argued against PC with Jordan Peterson. The debate as a whole wasn’t great and but it’s worth watching just for Fry’s arguments and views.
 
braineclipse said:
But when wealth correlates with sin colour that's not to be studied or to be part of the conversation.

Skin colour can be a factor for some. So there's a benefit to having one skin colour?

Skin colour benefit sure sounds a lot like white privelege to me.
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Not when you count immigration. Many immigrants come here less educated then will do less well paid jobs. Their children and grandchildren get the benefits of being brought up in a more wealthy country. Better education and then more high paying jobs. But it takes time.

This isn't america. Immigrants chose to come here for a better life. They were not brought in chains.

Statistics are further skewed by the likes of the Bangladeshis, whose women are less likely to work.
 
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