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[Seedy Ron]

Hodgson is going to get pelters, that we only have a handful of players who are not crap will be ignored.

We needed a goal and all we have on the bench is a player who spent most of his career playing non league.

Don't make the mistake of overestimating this lot just because they play well at club level surrounded by real talent.

Would've helped if he'd had a system to play our over hyped players in that didn't change every game.

Iceland FFS, it's probably the worst I can remember. Although didn't Costa Rica beat us or something at the World Cup?

 

[glasgowspur]

Sorry but i disagree England have not won a knockout game in any tournament in 10 years, even the golden generation was over rated and this squad is just as bad. Blaming the manager Sven, Capello, the bloke with the brolly ( his name escapes me at the moment) seems to happen all the time but the players are overhyped.

Yes the players are by and large overhyped, but with a proper system and organisation it can overcome.
The FA need to drop the power trip and appoint a proper manager and let them get on with it. No interference and no sponser input.

 

[the dza]

Harry needs 10 games to get going, so at least he's got four of them out of the way. He can come back and perform for us, phuck England.

 

[Baleforce]

Gareth Southgate? Another spineless 'yes'-man, but without any real coaching pedigree.

he's done a good job with the u21's and he has earned the qualifications

if England do actually want to build something long term they could do far worse

 

[the dza]

However, every single player for England was awful, bar Rashford off the bench. Hart will surely be binned as number 1 now.

 

[SteveAWOL]

I hope this mess on top of the poor end to our season doesn't fudge our players head up. Kane I'm particularly worried about.

Fingers crossed that Kane will bounce back from being targeted by boo-boys as well as Beckham did after France '98...

I hope our youngsters aren't looking at their social media tonight though, as I haven't seen Spurs subject to so much vitriol since... we dared to try and ruin the Leicester fairytale!

 

[the dza]

All helps with the Spurs siege mentality phuck the lot of them I say!

 

[johnola]

I think a lot of England's issues are a lack of togetherness. The domestic season causes rivalry even hatred. Putting Wheelchair into the middle of half the spurs team just about sums it up.
We hate each other.
Just waiting for the queen to snuff it now.

 

[parklane1]

Yes the players are by and large overhyped, but with a proper system and organisation it can overcome.
The FA need to drop the power trip and appoint a proper manager and let them get on with it. No interference and no sponser input.

I agree they should do better then they do but its no all down to the manager ( imo). As for a proper manager we have gone through several who have won trophys at club level, who would you call a proper manager?

edit, you have already said Poch but what has he won compered to the ones that have taken the job in the past.

 

[parklane1]

he's done a good job with the u21's and he has earned the qualifications

if England do actually want to build something long term they could do far worse

Do not disagree but you know what will happen, at the next tournament the press, media, fans will overhype us and when we fail the knives will be out for him as well. Until we get players who have the ability and mental strength to compete at the top in international football ( we have very few if any at the moment) we will keep blaming the managers and the wheel will keep turning.

 

[glasgowspur]

I agree they should do better then they do but its no all down to the manager ( imo). As for a proper manager we have gone through several who have won trophys at club level, who would you call a proper manager?

edit, you have already said Poch but what has he won compered to the ones that have taken the job in the past.

I think the problem is two fold, a proper system manager, but it needs to be a contemporary system, not like the previous system managers who came into the job at the end of their systems cycle. And it needs to be embraced, wholeheartedly, no messing about. No picking players from big clubs that don't fit the system or are to old.

Play to your strengths, there's this attitude that England should beat anyone and do well with a certain swagger. You don't have that so don't try it. Be solid, with pleasing flashes.
There's plenty of managers out there capable of doing it, can't think of any English one mind you,

 

[parklane1]

I think the problem is two fold, a proper system manager, but it needs to be a contemporary system, not like the previous system managers who came into the job at the end of their systems cycle. And it needs to be embraced, wholeheartedly, no messing about. No picking players from big clubs that don't fit the system or are to old.

Play to your strengths, there's this attitude that England should beat anyone and do well with a certain swagger. You don't have that so don't try it. Be solid, with pleasing flashes.
There's plenty of managers out there capable of doing it, can't think of any English one mind you,

Good points and who knows that may happen, however i will not hold my breath waiting for it .

 

[glasgowspur]

Good points and who knows that may happen, however i will not hold my breath waiting for it .

No I wouldn't either, ultimately it's the F As fault IMO. Only time I've seen one of Roy's team the way England played under him was when he was at Liverpool, and that was down to outside influences as well.

 

[Jordinho]

he's done a good job with the u21's and he has earned the qualifications

if England do actually want to build something long term they could do far worse

So did Peter Taylor.

Southgate was an abject failure at club level and only got that gig on the back of his playing career because someone at the FA believes good players automatically makes the best coaches/managers. He has zero winning mentality, no particular management skills and should really be coaching U16s.

 

[Baleforce]

Do not disagree but you know what will happen, at the next tournament the press, media, fans will overhype us and when we fail the knives will be out for him as well. Until we get players who have the ability and mental strength to compete at the top in international football ( we have very few if any at the moment) we will keep blaming the managers and the wheel will keep turning.

we just need to accept what we are

second round is par and we shouldn't expect any more than that

poor cb's, exacerbated by playing the best one we have in cm because we don't have any quality there either, we rely on two kids who've had a great season at their club surrounded by top class players and assume Sturridge and sterling will create space and chances in the same way

our lot have been ineffective but look at the step down in team quality they have to deal with, we probably rate them too highly and our foreign legion not enough

overall the squad is poor but nobody who was left out can feel hard done by either

the fallout from this is embarrassing and disrespectful to Iceland

 

[Craig_J]

Got back from work a couple of hours ago. Watched the match till a few miniutes after Icelands goal and could tell it wasn't going to change so fast forwarded it to the last 10 mins. Iceland didn't want it to change, they were just happy to be 2-1 up and fight hard to keep it that way. England obviously never looked like being clinical enough to win it.

Such a shame so many Spurs players will have their names tarnished for a defeat like this.

Hodgson won't be missed but hard to see who's available who would want to take it. I saw odds of 16-1 on Redknapp and although I'm not a betting person stuck 20 quid on it. No doubt he'll at least shout loud enough to be heard.

 

[Baleforce]

So did Peter Taylor.

Southgate was an abject failure at club level and only got that gig on the back of his playing career because someone at the FA believes good players automatically makes the best coaches/managers. He has zero winning mentality, no particular management skills and should really be coaching U16s.

he got that gig because England nicked Maclaren and Boro didn't have any money

Southgate has gone away and educated himself, I'd rather see him be given a chance (knowing the next batch of players to come through) than to waste millions on someone who made their name working with better players

 

[parklane1]

we just need to accept what we are

second round is par and we shouldn't expect any more than that

poor cb's, exacerbated by playing the best one we have in cm because we don't have any quality there either, we rely on two kids who've had a great season at their club surrounded by top class players and assume Sturridge and sterling will create space and chances in the same way

our lot have been ineffective but look at the step down in team quality they have to deal with, we probably rate them too highly and our foreign legion not enough

overall the squad is poor but nobody who was left out can feel hard done by either

the fallout from this is embarrassing and disrespectful to Iceland

I can't dance with most of that at all, as i said elsewhere our players are mostly overhyped and playing in a Prem Lge which is vastly overhyped by Sky. I would hazard a guess and say that none of that lot that played tonight will/would be on the shopping lists of the really big clubs ( Madrid, Barca, Munich and the likes).

Its nothing new though we have lacked the really top players for years and that includes most of the so called "golden generation."

 

[Craig_J]

"Now is the time for someone else to oversee the progress of a hungry and extremely talented group of players. They have done fantastically, and done everything asked of them."

Think he used Cameroons resignation speech as a template

EDIT: Clearly my quote template has also fudged up!

 

[The Portugeezer]

FA's little parting gift for Woy