I would LOVE to know what you're getting at, i won't be holding my breath though
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I liked Erik Lamela before it was cool
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I would LOVE to know what you're getting at, i won't be holding my breath though
To an extent we have to. Providing he keeps working as hard as he has done I see no issue with that
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I think trying to take into consideration some factors that the professionals at the club might be taking into consideration rather than being categorical and ignoring those potential factors is a better approach for us as fans from the outside.
Feel free to disagree though.
But I think african's point is that "if" can then be applied to every argument...
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
In this case the "if" being brought up by billy was a clearly rational and sensible factor.
Affy's point really was a 'reductio ad absurdum' type argument aimed at a post that really didn't warrant that kind of response at all. Unless affy is one of those who somehow is of the opinion that Lamela doesn't even have potential or talent.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
Yeah dont do that, you could pass out or die even. Not a good look
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
taking it into consideration is fine, like i said before......but concluding a debate BECAUSE of it makes it have the highest co-efficient/ contributor / factor to what you are saying.
like this...if pochettino plays lamela then lamela is right to play . he should play
how does this not suggest that pochettino actions are the ultimate test as to if a point is valid or not?
its one thing taking them into consideration but that shouldnt IMO be the reason that you go with it...i,e the overulling deciding factor that gets you other above all else. it can help sure but this is a message board of irrational people that think they know best (i have just realised who i am talking to..there is NO way you can possibly relate to that lol)
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
hmmm yeeeaah ...this doesn't really enourage me to continue our line of conversation, you have somehow missed the multitude if times i give positives to the kid or even worse you probably have forgotten already and only focus on the bits that dont paint him in the best light. Brain we would be going round in circles.
I respectfully tip my hat
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
you dont see this as a problem on several levels? team morale/chemistry/sending the wrong message to youth and trainees/actual performances/ money/ results/points/ player heirachy
I'm just not cool with the idea that we play this guy irrespective of how he plays. I dont think thats how we should run our club...we are not a development club
if someone else can play better they should play, lamela then works hard waits for his opportunities when he can get them and works his way back into the team
this thing about him being young and expensive with talent was one of the reasons i was watching him like a hawk in the first place judging him tougher than i would another youth prospect
sorry man i dont see it as a free pass to the starting line up...i want the kid to succeed and i think in the right surroundings and once his confidence picks up he will but "just keep playing him " isnt sitting well with me
Yeah see i didn't say that if 'Pochetino plays Lamela then Lamela is right to play' or any of the other things which you seem to have infered from my post.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
i never said you said that though, but the reasoning is the same?...let me find it
edit :- "although i definitley think if the people in charge think the short term loss of a player in the team out of sorts is worth the long term gain of having him release his potential having adapted quicker than if he spent the season in the reserves, then we should trust their judgment"
you know what reading that back it doesnt seem like you are telling people what they should accept...its just your opinion that management knows best, which btw is completely true just i dont see how that survives on a message board. There are ALOT of assumptions though ..more than i realised
but that definitely has the tone of "if they did it then it sure as **** is right"
now i know you did not say those EXACT words but it seems like you can argue against what management does
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africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
LOL, dude dont flatter yourself......i wouldnt have responded but you kept quoting and i regret even conversing with you in the first place tbh ,thats my fault .... whats done is done.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Sure. I don't remember exactly what various people have said about various players in various threads. I rarely have the time to go back through a thread to find out.
I only included that as a clause, because if that was your opinion your initial response to Billy would make more sense.
It seems now that you realize that you argued more about what you thought he implied, or what you inferred, from what he wrote and not what he actually wrote so probably no reason to continue.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
It was in this thread about two or 3 pages back responding to YOU in particular. There is no need to continue on the premise that we'll be dancing around the same topics till eternity's end cause like you i tend to forget where i put my keys even 1 hour ago. we will not remember each others points. Like two people with amensia arguing the same topics forever:lol:
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
I don't think that's a good message to be sending to the rest of the squad.
sc25
Banned
It was mentioned in here the other day that there is some discontent among some other players about it. Thats not to say its a big issue yet, but its one that has to be factored in I would think.
Why's that? Because of his price tag? Do we have to play Stambouli? Do we have to play Davies because he cost ten times as much as Rose? These are players that, like Lamela, work hard too. As far as I know, none of our recent managers felt they had to play Soldado, or Paulinho, or Chiriches. Anyway, you did say to an extent, so just wondering your reasoning re. Lamela, and to what extent. Also wonder how many favours it does Lamela if he knows or hears that when he's selected there are 'other' reasons involved.
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