I get that, I just got the impression that some other posters thought we had to include four club-trained players over the age of 21 in the EL squad. And more broadly that lots of people think we're close to a crisis (in PL and/or EL) due to not having enough homegrown players. Whereas I think if our only constraint is having no more than 17 non-HG players, we're fine (even if we buy a non-HG right back and striker, assuming we plan to sell Foyth (or Aurier)).
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Harry Winks
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I get that, I just got the impression that some other posters thought we had to include four club-trained players over the age of 21 in the EL squad. And more broadly that lots of people think we're close to a crisis (in PL and/or EL) due to not having enough homegrown players. Whereas I think if our only constraint is having no more than 17 non-HG players, we're fine (even if we buy a non-HG right back and striker, assuming we plan to sell Foyth (or Aurier)).
milo
Jack L. Jones
You're right. There is just a limit of 17 non-home grown players. After that you can have 4 club trained players over the age of 21 and 4 association trained players over the age of 21. You can have an unlimited number of u21s.
Or 0 club trained players over the age of 21, if you want (as long as there are 4+ club trained players under the age of 21) - that's the point I'm trying to get at.
E.g. in a previous post you said 'U21 don't count towards homegrown' - but I think the point is that they don't have to, but can if you want them to?
milo
Jack L. Jones
Absolutely. We could use 17 foreign players and the u16s if we wanted
Bishop
Nick Barmby
To encourage teams to develop and nurture players ideally from their omyoith system or failing that their own country as a means to control the spiraling transfer system.
The slight confusion is between UEFA's initiative and the FA's. UEFA have no intention other than to try and stop the bigger clubs plundering the youth teams of the poorer nations which was very much the path football was taking so they initiated the homegrown plan and that's why their version is slightly tighter than the PL's version.
The PL then latterly implemented a similar system (as did many leagues around Europe) with its own caveats. Each country applying their own version while making sure not to fall foul of EU cross country employment law.
As long as these system do not explicitly exclude players from other EU nations then those plans are legal.
Thanks - totally makes sense from UEFA's point of view - 1) wanting to protect some leagues from being picked apart, and 2) thinking that clubs should have to develop some of their own players. But I still don’t get the exact motivation for the PL’s rules - doesn’t cover point 2, and why should they care about point 1 when they’re more likely to be doing the picking apart?
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I think for the FA the motivation is similar, but of course with the added emphasis on English players. Even though a good portion of those HG players aren't English it still encourages the development of young English players.
As they can't place limits on nationality, within the EU/EEC at least, that's probably as good as they could do.
Of course the rules could be tweaked further. More than three years, even younger. But ultimately the clubs won't want regulation that's too strict.
A tweak I would like to see is a limit to the loan system. That has been discussed and might come at some point.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
A lot of surprise as not many thought PEH would be the more attacking in a 2, he wasn't too bad at it either
So I think the opposition allowed him that, but was the tactic to put the "destroyer" higher up the pitch to break attacks earlier, and Winks is more cover and a way to get the ball out the back quickly?
metalgear
Luka Modric
Still early but I think we only need winks or peh, they are too similar and we could do with some flair in the middle of the park. From that perspective I prefer peh already, but he casts a bigger and stronger presence there.
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I think the idea that Hojbjerg is a holding midfielder is a bit misplaced. Pretty much everything I’ve heard from him, Southampton fans and stats suggest he’s more naturally box-to-box.
I had thought that Mourinho might try to repurpose him as more of a holder, but agree it’s interesting that didn’t seem to be the case against Ipswich.
I had thought that Mourinho might try to repurpose him as more of a holder, but agree it’s interesting that didn’t seem to be the case against Ipswich.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Early days yet to be honest and it may change as we go along. I think Jose is using the games to see what different shapes look like ( who expected him to start Gedson at RB) I thought Winks had a decent game to be honest so it will interesting to see how we line up against Everton.
milo
Jack L. Jones
There were a lot of players missing too. I think that the selection and formation were forced a little by that
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Good point and i agree. Maybe i am being over optimistic but i do believe Winks could be our Perryman eventually, he has had a lot of injurys and i am hoping we will see the best of him as the season goes along.
He is not a player who immediately catches your eye ( a bit like Perryman) but they are important in any team.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Missed the last two friendlies with no explanation and now pulled out of the England squad with no explanation.
I assume its Covid like Ndombele.
I assume its Covid like Ndombele.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
Saw something the other day that at least 2 more of our players, in addition Ndombele, had tested positive. I think it was from Lilywhite Rose, so a reasonably reliable sauce.
So yes, I assume Winks is one of them.
Aly Gold said he was at Stadium from at least one the games he missed .. so not likely
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Still no news on what this was.
It must be a "sensitive" injury then like a ruptured banjo string.
It must be a "sensitive" injury then like a ruptured banjo string.
milo
Jack L. Jones
The club are refusing to answer questions about any player absences at the moment. Evidently, they are not obliged to in pre-season but they are expected to give answers once the PL is underway.