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Gareth Bale

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scaramanga said:
AVB already did that - he got accused of pressuring our chairman.

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Yes, I saw those posts and I was wondering what those posters expected AVB to say .

Anyway I were saying , if it's the case that Bale is not leaving then I'd like to hear it from Bale himself.
"I'm loving it at Tottenham and I'm staying so long as I'm told otherwise" Sorted, end of . lol

I just don't get it why Spurs fans would want to be kept in the dark and watch this
drag on for the next two months.
 
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thfcsteff said:
I think on this one, you'll just have to trust the people who run our club to know more about the situation, and how to handle it, than us. They know all four corners of the room; the public knows one, perhaps two.
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Feck it ...I wish I kept my gob shut now, theres to many responses lol..

okay ...

You're correct, I'm an outsider looking in and I do trust the board to be making their decisions based purely on what they percieve to be in the best interests of the club. But sometimes even with the limited information I have regarding their decision making, I can find myself questioning their actions, otherwise for example , I would not ever have held an opinion on any manergerial appointment or sacking, nor would I have held a counter opinion on the proposed Stratford move.

Next week with the players back in training, we're on another level regarding media scrutiny. If it's true that Bale himself is not wanting a transfer and the club is not interested in entertaining bids for him this summer, then it should be clearly stated by the player himself and it not be left to AVB issuing vague messages that the board have given him assurances Bale will not be sold on but that in football you never know.
 
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Nigeyman said:
I am liking this post and it stirs something within.......yes while I don't think we should go out acting billy big gonads a nice short no messing about statement from levy may be needed..... because we are not little and we should not tolerate their mannerisms regardless of whether they are commercial partners or not.

however maybe Levy Is using experience of past episodes in trying a new tact...........perhaps it isn't the best course of action to go to war with Madrid......but its hard when they seem to be excrementing all over us.

some want us to stand up for ourselves....others think our current silence is the best way to go.....personally I am going to trust that Levy Is doing his best for the club I love.....in the meantime I will abuse as much as I can the horrid club that is Madrid.
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Yeah I didn't mean we go big gonads lol Wouldn't sell them a virus? Again, probably not but a mild rebuke, why not ?.

I'd like to see us maybe respond along the lines with, "that the player himself has said he is happy at Tottenham, and we at Tottenham are more than happy to have him here so as far as we're concerned, Real Madrid should now show respect to both the player and our club on this matter by acting in a manner that befits their status as one of the great clubs in world football.
 
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I have not wasted a second of my summer worrying over this. If it happens, it happens, but there's nothing to indicate it will happen this year. Why even bother acknowledging Real's attempts? It will only serve to keep this thing going in the papers for a while longer.

Once pre season starts there will be press conferences and interviews. It will obviously come up, but until then: Let them keep playing their silly games.
 
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braineclipse said:
Do you really think this is what Daniel Levy thinks?

No , Ive not said Levy thinks we're a small club and that we should know our place .
I've thrown that out at some of my fellow Spurs who seem to be of the opinion that the club
should just stay quiet on all this despite the appalling behaviour of Real Madrid.

Do you think an official statement from Levy will change Real Madrid's approach at all?

No but that's not the point.

There are some people running some football clubs that care more about appeasing (or perhaps further enkindling) their fans, West Ham seems like a good example to me. I'm glad we're not one of them.

As a Tottenham fan I care more about the outcome than about how assured I myself can feel during a process. Levy enjoys keeping things quiet, if something is said you know he means business and that he can back his words with action. I think it's fair to assume that he's not too happy about Real at the moment and I feel confident that what can be done about it is being done. If Levy and the rest of the higher ups at the club, with a lot more detailed information about the situation than us, think that the best approach for the club is to keep quiet in the press (for now at least) then I'm happy with that.
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chicken_badge said:
I agree that we are customers in some ways. When I buy a ticket for a match I am definitely a customer and I have grave concerns about how I am treated in that manner. But from how you are talking, no I do not think "customer" is an accurate description of us in this role. We are supporters, we are followers. And this is in the context of Tottenham Hotspur football club and I think that needs to be taken into consideration.

I do not think fans necessarily NEED to be kept in the loop with business such as this; in fact, I think it could even be detrimental to the cause (the cause being THFC) if a statement were made at this point, even if for the benefit of fans. What good does it do us? Will this be a deal breaker for those people thinking of renewing their season tickets? For the vast majority, no. What about those fans thinking of buying a brand new "BALE 11" shirt for 2013/14? Well, the kit isn't out at the moment and even then, the club offer a warning over squad details when the shirts are sold.

At this moment in time all there is to go on is 100% speculation. How would the club look if they respond every time to something like this? Weak, insecure, defensive.

Statements have been made - AVB before the summer saying there was no plan to sell Bale. Maybe it wasn't a headline story but that was the definite tack the club were taking. Bale, what's he said? Nothing but willingness to stay at Spurs in the medium term.

Have Madrid made a definite bid? If yes, then maybe I'd like Spurs to offer a response. But to be honest, I don't think they even need to turn it down. Because, unless we actually ACCEPT an offer, there is no business to be done. I get offers every day to look into "miss sold PPI". Do I actually reject them? No. I just don't respond to the call. I leave the phone off the hook maybe hoping the muppets might run up a bill but I don't engage. (Wouldn't it be great if and when Zidane calls to offer us £80m to Bale rather than saying no we just ignore the question altogether but offer to look into his loan protection history?)

Fact is, it's ridiculous any of you need any reassurance. If you know your history of our club in modern times, this is going one of two ways. Either Bale will stay this year, or we will reject the first two or three bids before selling him for a monster fee. That won't happen until mid August at earliest, so what's the point in reading the news before then?
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tinkled off now cos my post has been lost due to the site mechanisms logging me out and me clicking send :~

Try again ...

First of all I want to state this is not about my self assurance regarding whether we sell Bale or not as both of you have implied, believe me , whether Bale stays or goes is not something that keeps me awake at night lol. My motives are the same as both yours, that is in wanting what we believe to be in the best interests of the club.

I believe next week with the players back in training, we will be entering a new phase in this saga. Bale will have the cameras on him and the stories about his move to the Bernabau will go into overdrive.

Now if it's true that Bale has no desire to leave Spurs at this time and if it's true that, the Spurs board has no intention
of selling him on even for a world record fee, then I believe it would be benefit our cause to clearly state this.

How do we do this so we can put this Bale transfer talk to bed ?

Ideally I'd like to see by the end of next week we have a press conference where AVB is flanked by both Vertonghen and Bale. Also a Levy spokesperson should be in attendence.

AVB will introduce Verts as the team captain and Bale as his vice captain. They would all chat about their hopes for
the coming season and Bale will tell it as it is regarding his own personal situation .

The Levy spokesperson will finish with the mild rebuke to Real Madrid similar to how I've outlined in the previous reply to Nigeyman in post #5956.

The transfer window is two months long and the final paragraph in your post, CB, implies the possibility that Bale will be sold late August after the haggling is done? Well it's planning for the season such as that I'm wishing to avoid.

COYS!
 
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ArnieArdiles said:
Yeah I didn't mean we go big gonads lol Wouldn't sell them a virus? Again, probably not but a mild rebuke, why not ?.

I'd like to see us maybe respond along the lines with, "that the player himself has said he is happy at Tottenham, and we at Tottenham are more than happy to have him here so as far as we're concerned, Real Madrid should now show respect to both the player and our club on this matter by acting in a manner that befits their status as one of the great clubs in world football.
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Well the most powerful and effective way would be avb bale at a press conference...coming out with this sort of statement.

I've never been to fussed or worried about things that are out of my control but yeah this is a massive summer for us and I have never witnessed a player at spurs as good as bale. I do give a massive poo poo because I absolutely don't want him to leave. Levy has done good and levy has done bad in my own opinion. Nothing is certain in football...if we as posters change our mind every few days or so its impossible to know what Bale may be thinking.

Either way he is under contract and unlikely to start acting up....so it looks like we are in a strong position....we don't need to sell............

personally I do sometimes lose sleep over spurs but perhaps I wouldn't be ideal for spurs in any decision making process as I am to emotionally attached lol. If we can read & believe Paulinho's comments then when we have been talking to prospective targets.....ie sexing up spurs to potential new recruits we are going with the line that Bale will not be sold.....everything is harmonious we are looking to push on.......

Perhaps Levy is playing a blinder.........we shall see come sep 1st......COYS
 
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ArnieArdiles said:
tinkled off now cos my post has been lost due to the site mechanisms logging me out and me clicking send :~

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First of all I want to state this is not about my self assurance regarding whether we sell Bale or not as both of you have implied, believe me , whether Bale stays or goes is not something that keeps me awake at night lol. My motives are the same as both yours, that is in wanting what we believe to be in the best interests of the club.

I believe next week with the players back in training, we will be entering a new phase in this saga. Bale will have the cameras on him and the stories about his move to the Bernabau will go into overdrive.

Now if it's true that Bale has no desire to leave Spurs at this time and if it's true that, the Spurs board has no intention
of selling him on even for a world record fee, then I believe it would be benefit our cause to clearly state this.

How do we do this so we can put this Bale transfer talk to bed ?

Ideally I'd like to see by the end of next week we have a press conference where AVB is flanked by both Vertonghen and Bale. Also a Levy spokesperson should be in attendence.

AVB will introduce Verts as the team captain and Bale as his vice captain. They would all chat about their hopes for
the coming season and Bale will tell it as it is regarding his own personal situation .

The Levy spokesperson will finish with the mild rebuke to Real Madrid similar to how I've outlined in the previous reply to Nigeyman in post #5956.

The transfer window is two months long and the final paragraph in your post, CB, implies the possibility that Bale will be sold late August after the haggling is done? Well it's planning for the season such as that I'm wishing to avoid.

COYS!
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I have no illusions that Bale has no desire to leave Spurs at this time. He's a top class player and he knows it, he will want to test himself at the highest level sooner or later. I think he has enough loyalty and appreciation towards Spurs that he won't force a move at this time and that he enjoys himself enough here that he doesn't mind staying around. If a fee was agreed with Real or Manu I think he would be gone faster than I could spell Heathrow backwards though.

There is nothing to gain for him by categorically stating that he's staying, unless he sincerely prefers to stay at Spurs over any potential move to any potential club in the world. I really struggle to see that being the case, though of course I would like to be wrong.

I don't think there's anything the club can do to put the Bale transfer talk to bed. Remember the Modric to Chelsea summer? Levy couldn't have been more categorical in his statements, yet the speculations (and reportedly the offers) continued. Most non-Spurs fans seemed quite convinced that we would cave and that he would be off that summer, a lot of Spurs fans believed the same and I think Chelsea thought they would get him in the end too.

Bale signing a new contract would probably help the situation, but even that won't stop the speculations I think. We've seen too many players sign a contract and then leave for the press to make that stop them and the Bale to Real is just too easy a story to write on an off day at the office before you pop out for a round of drinks at the pub.

Let's just accept that the media will be doing their thing and that Real will of course try to unsettle the player trying to force a move either this summer or next. Let's meanwhile be grateful that Bale isn't a dingdonghead about it, that he has some sense of loyalty, gratitude and humility that seems quite rare in modern football. And be grateful that we have a chairman that knows how to handle these situations.
 
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braineclipse said:
I have no illusions that Bale has no desire to leave Spurs at this time. He's a top class player and he knows it, he will want to test himself at the highest level sooner or later. I think he has enough loyalty and appreciation towards Spurs that he won't force a move at this time and that he enjoys himself enough here that he doesn't mind staying around. If a fee was agreed with Real or Manu I think he would be gone faster than I could spell Heathrow backwards though.

There is nothing to gain for him by categorically stating that he's staying, unless he sincerely prefers to stay at Spurs over any potential move to any potential club in the world. I really struggle to see that being the case, though of course I would like to be wrong.

I don't think there's anything the club can do to put the Bale transfer talk to bed. Remember the Modric to Chelsea summer? Levy couldn't have been more categorical in his statements, yet the speculations (and reportedly the offers) continued. Most non-Spurs fans seemed quite convinced that we would cave and that he would be off that summer, a lot of Spurs fans believed the same and I think Chelsea thought they would get him in the end too.

Bale signing a new contract would probably help the situation, but even that won't stop the speculations I think. We've seen too many players sign a contract and then leave for the press to make that stop them and the Bale to Real is just too easy a story to write on an off day at the office before you pop out for a round of drinks at the pub.

Let's just accept that the media will be doing their thing and that Real will of course try to unsettle the player trying to force a move either this summer or next. Let's meanwhile be grateful that Bale isn't a dingdonghead about it, that he has some sense of loyalty, gratitude and humility that seems quite rare in modern football. And be grateful that we have a chairman that knows how to handle these situations.
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Disagree. Not right now. He is enjoying his life a lot right now, enjoying his football, enjoys working with AVB and the set-up and has some good friends at the club. then there's the family angle. So no...I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that he will be a Real Madrid player in the future (it is a club that he has liked since a lad as I understand it), just not for at least one season and more likely two to three...
 
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braineclipse said:
I have no illusions that Bale has no desire to leave Spurs at this time. He's a top class player and he knows it, he will want to test himself at the highest level sooner or later. I think he has enough loyalty and appreciation towards Spurs that he won't force a move at this time and that he enjoys himself enough here that he doesn't mind staying around. If a fee was agreed with Real or Manu I think he would be gone faster than I could spell Heathrow backwards though.

There is nothing to gain for him by categorically stating that he's staying, unless he sincerely prefers to stay at Spurs over any potential move to any potential club in the world. I really struggle to see that being the case, though of course I would like to be wrong.

I don't think there's anything the club can do to put the Bale transfer talk to bed. Remember the Modric to Chelsea summer? Levy couldn't have been more categorical in his statements, yet the speculations (and reportedly the offers) continued. Most non-Spurs fans seemed quite convinced that we would cave and that he would be off that summer, a lot of Spurs fans believed the same and I think Chelsea thought they would get him in the end too.

Bale signing a new contract would probably help the situation, but even that won't stop the speculations I think. We've seen too many players sign a contract and then leave for the press to make that stop them and the Bale to Real is just too easy a story to write on an off day at the office before you pop out for a round of drinks at the pub.

Let's just accept that the media will be doing their thing and that Real will of course try to unsettle the player trying to force a move either this summer or next. Let's meanwhile be grateful that Bale isn't a dingdonghead about it, that he has some sense of loyalty, gratitude and humility that seems quite rare in modern football. And be grateful that we have a chairman that knows how to handle these situations.
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What a brilliant post.

Steff, I think braineclipse more meant that if Spurs so desired then Bale would have no problem moving rather than he is itching to go which in a way also shows his appreciation of the club and willingness to not create friction where there is none. He wins both ways lets be honest. It's easy to forget that someone already so good has so much more to come from his career in longevity and development.

I really don't understand those in the media etc that are incredulous that he might stay with us at least another season. HE'S fudging 23!!
 
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braineclipse said:
I have no illusions that Bale has no desire to leave Spurs at this time. He's a top class player and he knows it, he will want to test himself at the highest level sooner or later. I think he has enough loyalty and appreciation towards Spurs that he won't force a move at this time and that he enjoys himself enough here that he doesn't mind staying around. If a fee was agreed with Real or Manu I think he would be gone faster than I could spell Heathrow backwards though.

There is nothing to gain for him by categorically stating that he's staying, unless he sincerely prefers to stay at Spurs over any potential move to any potential club in the world. I really struggle to see that being the case, though of course I would like to be wrong.

I don't think there's anything the club can do to put the Bale transfer talk to bed. Remember the Modric to Chelsea summer? Levy couldn't have been more categorical in his statements, yet the speculations (and reportedly the offers) continued. Most non-Spurs fans seemed quite convinced that we would cave and that he would be off that summer, a lot of Spurs fans believed the same and I think Chelsea thought they would get him in the end too.

Bale signing a new contract would probably help the situation, but even that won't stop the speculations I think. We've seen too many players sign a contract and then leave for the press to make that stop them and the Bale to Real is just too easy a story to write on an off day at the office before you pop out for a round of drinks at the pub.

Let's just accept that the media will be doing their thing and that Real will of course try to unsettle the player trying to force a move either this summer or next. Let's meanwhile be grateful that Bale isn't a dingdonghead about it, that he has some sense of loyalty, gratitude and humility that seems quite rare in modern football. And be grateful that we have a chairman that knows how to handle these situations.
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Top post. I agree 100%
 
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Hang on. Are we supposed to be able to spell heathrow backwards quickly? Coz it's bloody hard.
 
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stinkfoot said:
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What a brilliant post.

Steff, I think braineclipse more meant that if Spurs so desired then Bale would have no problem moving rather than he is itching to go which in a way also shows his appreciation of the club and willingness to not create friction where there is none. He wins both ways lets be honest. It's easy to forget that someone already so good has so much more to come from his career in longevity and development.

I really don't understand those in the media etc that are incredulous that he might stay with us at least another season. HE'S fudging 23!!
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Given that Braineclipse and I have been in agreement on this from the first moment I stated unequivocally that bale was going nowhere (right after the last match of the season) I'd say you're probably right mate, and as such, apologies to Braineclipse for misunderstanding.

You've also hit the tickle my balls with a feather; the boy learnt a lot last season and is going to learn a lot more. My humble opinion is he would not now join another British club, and will only play for a Madrid or Barca...I think increasingly we will see Utd's drawing power not quite what it was because of Fergie's retirement.
 
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Stinkfoot and Milo: Cheers :)

Superted: Well, in the time it would take a high profile footballer to complete a medical and contract negotiations I think you would get at least half way ;)

Steff: Yes, stinkfoot was spot on. I'm just saying that if a fee was agreed I think he would leave.
 
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braineclipse said:
Stinkfoot and Milo: Cheers :)

Superted: Well, in the time it would take a high profile footballer to complete a medical and contract negotiations I think you would get at least half way ;)

Steff: Yes, stinkfoot was spot on. I'm just saying that if a fee was agreed I think he would leave.
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Anyone who thinks he wouldn't willingly go to a title contending Premiership club, or one of the top Champion's League European clubs, if Spurs agreed a fee are deluding themselves with Spurs tinted spectacles.

Some footballers develop a great affinity for a club, even if they didn't care for that club when they were younger, by playing for them. This affinity usually develops due to success (and therefore happy associations with that club) or when a player has reached their level. Gareth Bale does not have a great affinity for Spurs. He is a good relationship with the Manager and other players, but he isn't a Spurs man. He was never a Southampton boy either despite the fact they took him at such a young age. First chance and he was gone, although he'd have been happy to stay there for longer if no bid came in.

The Southampton situation is where he is with us now, but we're further up the chain. He is a professional lad and down to earth and I don't think he'd play silly buggers to engineer a move. I also think he'd be quite content to stay another year and wouldn't be fussed if Spurs did turn down offers for him. But if Spurs accepted an offer from Barca, Madrid, Man Utd, Chelsea etc. then Bale would leave and wouldn't show us any major affection once he'd gone (like he doesn't Southampton, although from a PR perspective he says nice things, but it's clear there is no bond).

I personally don't think any less of Bale for this. Many great Spurs players down the year never really achieved a great bond with the club. Chris Waddle and Paul Gascoigne being two obvious ones. Both of them enjoyed playing for Spurs, and look back at their time with Spurs with fondness, but neither care about the club today. Both care more about Saudi Sportswashing Machine/Rangers than they do Spurs and Waddle has a closer bond with Sheffield Wednesday than he has with us (by his own admission).

More crucial to all of this is keeping Bale beyond this season. We have to ensure Champion's League football next year to keep him and having just missed out the last two seasons (both seasons we blew it in the Summer transfer window, dropping valuable points before getting the squad assembled correctly although 11/12 was even harder to take having actually finished 4th) we have to push on. But it won't be easy as the last two seasons have seen a considerable drop off in Premiership ability and were great opportunities for getting top four. I think this season it's going to be a much tougher ask.
 
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Jumpers said:
Anyone who thinks he wouldn't willingly go to a title contending Premiership club, or one of the top Champion's League European clubs, if Spurs agreed a fee are deluding themselves with Spurs tinted spectacles.

Some footballers develop a great affinity for a club, even if they didn't care for that club when they were younger, by playing for them. This affinity usually develops due to success (and therefore happy associations with that club) or when a player has reached their level. Gareth Bale does not have a great affinity for Spurs. He is a good relationship with the Manager and other players, but he isn't a Spurs man. He was never a Southampton boy either despite the fact they took him at such a young age. First chance and he was gone, although he'd have been happy to stay there for longer if no bid came in.

The Southampton situation is where he is with us now, but we're further up the chain. He is a professional lad and down to earth and I don't think he'd play silly buggers to engineer a move. I also think he'd be quite content to stay another year and wouldn't be fussed if Spurs did turn down offers for him. But if Spurs accepted an offer from Barca, Madrid, Man Utd, Chelsea etc. then Bale would leave and wouldn't show us any major affection once he'd gone (like he doesn't Southampton, although from a PR perspective he says nice things, but it's clear there is no bond).

I personally don't think any less of Bale for this. Many great Spurs players down the year never really achieved a great bond with the club. Chris Waddle and Paul Gascoigne being two obvious ones. Both of them enjoyed playing for Spurs, and look back at their time with Spurs with fondness, but neither care about the club today. Both care more about Saudi Sportswashing Machine/Rangers than they do Spurs and Waddle has a closer bond with Sheffield Wednesday than he has with us (by his own admission).

More crucial to all of this is keeping Bale beyond this season. We have to ensure Champion's League football next year to keep him and having just missed out the last two seasons (both seasons we blew it in the Summer transfer window, dropping valuable points before getting the squad assembled correctly although 11/12 was even harder to take having actually finished 4th) we have to push on. But it won't be easy as the last two seasons have seen a considerable drop off in Premiership ability and were great opportunities for getting top four. I think this season it's going to be a much tougher ask.
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I think most wouldnt expect loyalty like that. I just think that Bale has had some stinkers covered up by some great piece of skill, at a Real, Barca or Milan, he would be criticised harshly/dropped for this as their aspirations are for total perfection, here he would have forgiveness for a bad game here or there. I truly believe he knows its too early, not for our benefit but for his own. There are plenty of examples of players leaving too soon to go off the rails.
 
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