Gareth Bale

[Rossi22]

Re: Gareth Bale

For a year? Losing arguably the 3rd best player in the world? Where are we going to find another one of them? I'd wager the club woud make more money with Bale at the club than without hm. I can understand if we sell him, I won't be happy with it but I'll accept it and hope we can become stronger for it. I just struggle to understand the fan mentality of where an arbitrary figure is reached the switch is flicked and they're now happy to cash in. I don't understand why any fan would be happy to cash in, unless I'm getting a cut of the money then I'd rather we kept him thanks.

 

[billyiddo]

Re: Gareth Bale

don't get me wrong id keep him for sure (unless we're talking smashing the world record fee, not just sneaking past it)

i think we have it in ourselves to buy what is required to make us an even stronger bet for top 4 without using the Bale sale to fund transfers - if i thought we couldn't do that then maybe id be tempted to sell.

 

[Jordinho]

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If there's a possibility of selling Bale and spending that money on 2 or 3 top players I'd jump on it in second, no hesitation. Long term I think that's better for us than how it's been this season, where it's all about getting the ball to him so he can run and shoot. We need to have a few more tricks up our sleeve if we want to take the next step.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Re: Gareth Bale

Fact is that it makes business sense for the club to sell, I don't believe the club can say no if the offer is actually made and will probably push the player to leave. The wages on offer will be astronomical also. Would love to keep the lad but would be stunned if we did manage to keep him.

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Gareth Bale

What is your definition of a "top player" though? The top players(my definition) won't want to join Spurs so I don't see the point.

 

[milo]

Re: Gareth Bale

If there's a possibility of selling Bale and spending that money on 2 or 3 top players I'd jump on it in second, no hesitation. Long term I think that's better for us than how it's been this season, where it's all about getting the ball to him so he can run and shoot. We need to have a few more tricks up our sleeve if we want to take the next step.

I agree. That said, I don't think we'll sell

 

[billyiddo]

Re: Gareth Bale

Fact is that it makes business sense for the club to sell, I don't believe the club can say no if the offer is actually made and will probably push the player to leave. The wages on offer will be astronomical also. Would love to keep the lad but would be stunned if we did manage to keep him.

we don't actually know that - this is a player unlike any we've had in the modern era - genuinely the most hyped player outside of Messi & Ronaldo, probably Neymar i guess as well but he's a marketing execs dream and potentially could earn the club big deals which again could potentially outweigh any bid Madrid are prepared to make at this moment.

Im sure Levy will be working out just how much the club can look to make off of the Bale brand over say a 4 year (new contract) period - 85m could be way short of what he is worth to us in a business sense in that time

 

[Spursalot]

Re: Gareth Bale

You do have to consider that it isn't a given that all of that will go straight back into the transfer fund.

It's not a given, but Levy and Co have been pretty consistent in terms of reusing funds, though not always in the same window.

 

[billyiddo]

Re: Gareth Bale

What is your definition of a "top player" though? The top players(my definition) won't want to join Spurs so I don't see the point.

best time to get the Bale money (if at all) would be if we qualify for the CL next season - we can buy the players to get us there now, it's once we've qualified that we'll need the extra transfer money to sign one or two 'worldlies'

 

[Spursalot]

Re: Gareth Bale

£85m isn't a massive amount when you consider the club will make double that in turnover next year.

Half our turnover isn't a massive amount?


I would like some of what you are smoking.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Re: Gareth Bale

we don't actually know that - this is a player unlike any we've had in the modern era - genuinely the most hyped player outside of Messi & Ronaldo, probably Neymar i guess as well but he's a marketing execs dream and potentially could earn the club big deals which again could potentially outweigh any bid Madrid are prepared to make at this moment.

Im sure Levy will be working out just how much the club can look to make off of the Bale brand over say a 4 year (new contract) period - 85m could be way short of what he is worth to us in a business sense in that time

That's another angle. I hope that's the case. If we keep him and buy 2 or 3. Get a few fit. We could improve on this season at least.

 

[Crab.C.Nesbitt]

Re: Gareth Bale

If there's a possibility of selling Bale and spending that money on 2 or 3 top players I'd jump on it in second, no hesitation. Long term I think that's better for us than how it's been this season, where it's all about getting the ball to him so he can run and shoot. We need to have a few more tricks up our sleeve if we want to take the next step.

You talk about getting these players like we could pluck them from a tree, he'll we haven't managed to even persuade leandro to sign or his club to sell after about three fecking seasons of trying! (and he isn't exactly a top striker, though he potentially could be) It isn't that simple, yes well have money but could we get the top quality players needed to make up for the loss of bale? Its no certainty that we could.

 

[billyiddo]

Re: Gareth Bale

That's another angle. I hope that's the case. If we keep him and buy 2 or 3. Get a few fit. We could improve on this season at least.

i think Levy will work out his value to us in terms of a business asset and if Real or whoever want to buy him they will have to come close to compensating us for that hypothetical amount - 85m for a football player is mental but when you are talking about the top tier elite in terms of world wide appeal and all that (which Bale is fast becoming) that's when the transfers become more than what the player brings to the team.

Real made the money back from Beckham within a week, i believe (so the legend goes) and probably not much longer for the much more expensive Ronaldo. if they were to sign Bale a similar scenario would arise - so the 85m or whatever, which may sound crazy could quite easily become much higher and still be financially beneficial to Madrid

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Gareth Bale

best time to get the Bale money (if at all) would be if we qualify for the CL next season - we can buy the players to get us there now, it's once we've qualified that we'll need the extra transfer money to sign one or two 'worldlies'

I was just going to post, my ideal scenario(and yes I may be living in football manager world here) is that we sit down and say right, Bale, you're staying and Andre we're going to back you with the four players you want(lets say Coentrao, Cabaye, Villa and Damiao). It's going to cost us £60m but some of that will be recouped from sales(NOT Bale). We think with this team we can legitmately challenge for the title this season. If all goes to plan then excellent, the net spend is recouped from CL money and now Bale(who has now surpassed Ronaldo as #2 in the world) wants to stay. If it doesn't work out then Bale is sold(he would've been anyway but this way we're spending most of the money beforehand). Although with that there is a chance of injury or he could turn into Stewart Downing(possible, but unlikely)

That's what I'd like to see anyway, but I know our motto has changed from "To Dare is to Do" to "To Dare is too Dear"

 

[SteveAWOL]

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Even if we have £85m to spend, it's not like we have the pick of the world to spend it on, we'd still be shopping in the bracket below because top players don't want to join Tottenham Hotspur. You then have to consider that selling clubs would demand more from us for their players, plus these players don't play for free. If we signed 4x £20m players, those players are likely to want £100k a week, that's a £300k a week(£15.6m per year) rise on what we're paying Bale.

Good point. We could soon end up with a wage bill as high as the Scum's by purchasing 3 or 4 more good players on £80k+ a week to try and replace one exceptional player who would only cost us the combined wages of 2 of them.

£85m isn't a massive amount when you consider the club will make double that in turnover next year.

Indeed, considering the group stages alone guarantee the ARSEnal over £30m more income than us every season we could make back the £85m with a couple of decent CL runs what with the additional sponsorship and shirt sales etc.

 

[billyiddo]

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I was just going to post, my ideal scenario(and yes I may be living in football manager world here) is that we sit down and say right, Bale, you're staying and Andre we're going to back you with the four players you want(lets say Coentrao, Cabaye, Villa and Damiao). It's going to cost us £60m but some of that will be recouped from sales(NOT Bale). We think with this team we can legitmately challenge for the title this season. If all goes to plan then excellent, the net spend is recouped from CL money and now Bale(who has now surpassed Ronaldo as #2 in the world) wants to stay. If it doesn't work out then Bale is sold(he would've been anyway but this way we're spending most of the money beforehand). Although with that there is a chance of injury or he could turn into Stewart Downing(possible, but unlikely)

That's what I'd like to see anyway, but I know our motto has changed from "To Dare is to Do" to "To Dare is too Dear"

i guess it really comes down to how much we can spend this summer. I understand when people point to the past 2/3 seasons as proof we no longer spend big in terms of net - however i think if you look beyond those years we had a period where we spent quite heavily over a short period - i believe this was the Commoli years and the first window or two of Redknapp. based purely on assumption id say that this spending was spread out over the coming years of breaking even on transfers - spreading deals over 3 or 4 years is how id imagine we do a lot of our business and id hope that we have now paid off that period over high expenditure and are now in a position to have a window or two of 20-30 million net spend (again spread out over several seasons). as i say guess work on my part but feasible

 

[Bedfordspurs]

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I'm tying to apply logic here....

Bale has signed a contract with BT to be the inure head of their new very expensive TV coverage which is based in England

Bale has made it clear that he sees overseas opportunities as something for the future which isn Necessarily now

So if he isn't going abroad due to his BT contract were left with English teams and there are a few who will bid, however we won't sell to them

Therefore I can't see him being sold this season

 

[Spursalot]

Re: Gareth Bale

I'm tying to apply logic here....

Bale has signed a contract with BT to be the inure head of their new very expensive TV coverage which is based in England

Bale has made it clear that he sees overseas opportunities as something for the future which isn Necessarily now

So if he isn't going abroad due to his BT contract were left with English teams and there are a few who will bid, however we won't sell to them

Therefore I can't see him being sold this season

There is a slight hole in the logic there, being that BT are not only showing English football. They are also showing German and French (and Scottish and MLS).


Bayern Munich and PSG could both afford him.


Though i think he is staying.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Re: Gareth Bale

There is a slight hole in the logic there, being that BT are not only showing English football. They are also showing German and French (and Scottish and MLS).


Bayern Munich and PSG could both afford him.


Though i think he is staying.

Agreed but he is the figure head because of his exposure to the premier league. No one watched the other leagues really in this country and the would hen be paying him 7 figures to spear head German on French football and the other two don't really count as major interests anymore

 

[DHSF]

Re: Gareth Bale

Out of interest, say we dont have the cash to propel us to a top four position and that we have actually reached our potential (until a new stadium is built) - is there any reason to keep him? By that I mean is there any reason to keep a 60-80m asset when you cant even afford to fulfil any potential that there may be? By selling Bale some may argue that it will help us to fulfil and exceed our potential.

I love Bale and want him to stay etc but a) the guy does deserve CL football and b) He may have played his best football for us given the calibre of players he is playing with and the only way he will get better with us is with better forward players.