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What's worrying is some people actually think there is a system to these machines that they can figure out. In reality, it's completely random.

I stick to betting on football and one off events like the national or Super Bowl. I like to think I know football and I have won as about as much as I have spent over my lifetime on gambling or not far off. Also, I only bet what I can afford to lose or what I am comfortable losing.

These machines are fixed odds as shown on their welcome screen.

The guy I know from my local bookies can tell the machines that pay at certain times of the day and when I did use to play them he would often be right.

They are not completley random. They always take in more than they pay out. You are correct however, no system will beat them but it comes down to more chance of the time of play than anything else.
 
I started a similar thread around 6 months ago on these machines and I'm glad they are now in the spotlight in the politics World.

I have a relative of mine (my old man) who spend around £20k over a 12 month period on these machines. Luckily he took the option of help rather than doing something drastic. Only since becoming clean has he now released his stupidity and seen the situation from a different perspective.

These machines are nothing but evil in EVERY sense of the word. I know people who work in bookmakers and I even know someone who worked as part of the company who has developed them. They are extremely high tech pieces of kit that are linked to a centralized computer system that communicates with a data center. Everything can be measured on them. The guy behind the counter knows exactly the ones paying out, how much money it's taken in and knows these are the money makers for the bookies.

When I place my football accumy on I see countless streams of 18 year olds on them. I constantly see people playing £100 a spin games. I have seen countless people putting a wedge of cash in them; one guy 2 weeks ago actually picked up a stool and smashed three of them out of pure frustration.

Some of the responses from my previous thread are 'people should control themselves' or 'people should know when to stop'... easy to say my friends but this is something you will never understand unless you have seen/done it firsthand.

Gambling VERY easily can turn into an addiction in the right environment and circumstances. It has been linked to a similar addiction to nicotine. People (many) lose families, houses and friends through these machines and what's the government doing? Supporting them as a source of income.

You can't go to a football game these days without being flooded with betting adverts. You can't flick over on TV at night without seeing a roulette wheel. What's this showing the younger generation?

America has banned online gambling for a reason. I also had a spell of gambling to which I have learnt from my father’s mistakes and closed all online betting accounts and now do £20 on a Saturday on the football when I can be bothered.

Gambling should not be easily accessible. It should require effort in making a person need to go to somewhere like a casino where they have to dress up and register to bet. Being allowed to blow £10,000 in a couple of hours on your local high street or in the comfort of your own home should be impossible.

People might say "well you can blow £10k on buying a TV online so what's the difference?" The difference is you gamble in the hope of making profit. It's incremental. It's a buzz. Ask anyone who has every gambled away more than their original intentions and they will respond in a similar manner or feeling depressed, idiotic and a need to try again at a later stage to try and recoup their loss.

All I can say is my middle finger goes to the bookies, the government and anyone who supports gambling as a good form of income to this country. It's a discussing business that feeds on the vulnerable and turns a blind eye to all the damage is causes.

Advice from me; do NOT touch them and warn others.

Not one bit of blame with the gambler themselves? I'm sorry but when I hear stories of people winning thousands then gambling it all
Away to try and win more in my eyes that ain't a physical addiction that's just plain up greediness! Something I think our society suffers a lot from at the moment.
 
Roy, genuine question... Working in a bookies you must have some good all-round experience of Horse, Dogs, Football etc.. Don't you feel like you would have a greater edge on sports betting than against a machine which in essence you can't beat long term? or is it the instance buzz of playing these that gets people hooked?
 
Just to add, I think those introductory offers such as matching your intial deposit shouldn't be allowed... If you want to register to gamble online fair enough, but I don't think all these offers should be splashed across the TV, internet, papers etc


EDIT: Although, I think offering regular users bonuses etc. from time to time is fine, I just don't agree with sucking people in initially with the offer of free money.
 
I was told by a reliable source that these machines pay back £19.40 for every £100 that is spent. Yes they are random but you cannot win if you play regularly.
 
I was told by a reliable source that these machines pay back £19.40 for every £100 that is spent. Yes they are random but you cannot win if you play regularly.

How can those rates of return be legal? Gambling machines in pubs are 80%, aren't they?
 
I never bet on electric casino machines, only ever do football accys and blackjack when I rarely go to casinos. I just don't trust them, they are run by a computer that is designed to take more than it pays.
 
I never bet on electric casino machines, only ever do football accys and blackjack when I rarely go to casinos. I just don't trust them, they are run by a computer that is designed to take more than it pays.

To be fair both the accumulators on the sheets in the bookies and blackjack in the casino are also stacked against you. The only game in a casino that isn't (where you could have an edge) is poker, and that's because you are up against other punters, but even then unless you have a higher skill level on average than several opponents at each table you play at then you are likely to be a losing player over a prolonged period of time.
 
I don't do online betting. Had an account once but never used it as it can be a slippery slope once you get hooked. At least when you go into a bookies you have to physically give them money whereas online it doesn't feel like you are paying anything by just clicking a button.
 
Put £20 into rouloutte machine 10 mnins ago, came out with £35 after first spin. It took alot of my resistance not to just carry on. It was a test. These machines are so popular and money making, they will never get taken away unless govt demands it. The crowd forming behind me to play was a sight. Btw - these were not the unemployed who were waiting to play either
 
I have no idea how to gamble and dont think I ever will. I have no idea how to play fruit machines, all I do is put a correct score on ever now and again for Spurs games.

I dont know how to play any games apart from Roulette at Casinos. I count myself lucky for being stupid.
 
there's a difference between fruit machines and slots. a fruit machine is controlled, a slot machine is random.
the RTP of all machines should be displayed on the machine itself, or on the paytable, but remember this will be calculated and verified over millions of spins, not just a few hundred here and there.
 
Roy, genuine question... Working in a bookies you must have some good all-round experience of Horse, Dogs, Football etc.. Don't you feel like you would have a greater edge on sports betting than against a machine which in essence you can't beat long term? or is it the instance buzz of playing these that gets people hooked?

I tried it for a while. Would put £100 on a both teams to score double or treble or similar. I went a bit mad on the handicap betting and golf too once putting £70 on a 33/1 winner - but most went back in the machines. I back snooker fairly heavily being my main passion but not for a month or two.

I'm completely out of money, luck and just about everything else. Totally tinkled off right now. Did back a few teams at prices of 4/6 ish with £300 singles to win £500 which works if you pick the right matches.
 
Did back a few teams at prices of 4/6 ish with £300 singles to win £500 which works if you pick the right matches.

I've started doing this because I was just betting on accumulators that were always close but not close enough.

This weekend, for example, I've bet on Chelsea to beat Brentford (1/4), City to beat Leeds (1/4), United to beat Reading (1/4). All three are as dead cert as you can get. Not all that exciting in many ways but it close to doubled my money. Started doing it a few weeks back and have more than quadrupled my original stake (which wasn't huge to be fair).
 
I've started doing this because I was just betting on accumulators that were always close but not close enough.

This weekend, for example, I've bet on Chelsea to beat Brentford (1/4), City to beat Leeds (1/4), United to beat Reading (1/4). All three are as dead cert as you can get. Not all that exciting in many ways but it close to doubled my money. Started doing it a few weeks back and have more than quadrupled my original stake (which wasn't huge to be fair).

It is a better and smarter way to gamble. For example I would sometimes put £200 on a 1/3 shot for example then withdraw the original £200 back to my card. Now my balance is the £66.67 I've just won and I'd back say a 4/6 turning that into just over £100 and so on. End of the day £100 on a 1/4 is still a £25 profit which is a start.

A professional gambler I once knew said he'd always aim to win 20% of his BR and then call it a day. As your small 20% multiplies every day so does your BR.
 
It is a better and smarter way to gamble. For example I would sometimes put £200 on a 1/3 shot for example then withdraw the original £200 back to my card. Now my balance is the £66.67 I've just won and I'd back say a 4/6 turning that into just over £100 and so on. End of the day £100 on a 1/4 is still a £25 profit which is a start.

A professional gambler I once knew said he'd always aim to win 20% of his BR and then call it a day. As your small 20% multiplies every day so does your BR.

We used to laugh at a mate of mine who did something similar and his answer was "Show me the bank that'll give you 30% interest for loaning them your money for a few hours."

Admittedly, it doesn't get the blood rushing like a 5 match accumulator but it does prevent the missus from battering me for wasting money.
 
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