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Eric Dier

Is there anyone ( in their right mind or not) who believes anything the Goat bleats.

Man Utd are ABSOLUTELY looking to destabilize the club. It's not just about Dier but the 'superstars'. They (and others - but particularly them) are worried about us, know they cannot offer anything more on the pitch/in terms of great squad spirit, but know they can blow us out of the water with wages. Kane won't bite for some time because he won't, but they are looking to get into the heads of everybody else. There is little doubt that some wage increases will have to happen sooner than later...
 
For me we had to give a signal to anyone coming after our players, if you want them then you are going to get screwed over. I'd have accepted no less than 70m (that's a wtf figure and a warning). What we've done with this is send a message out to the rest of the Prem that our players are available.

I think City would have paid it as well but may have taken a few more weeks and I don't think Poch wanted an unhappy player in the camp.

I don't think so. Kyle Walker's departure has been a poorly kept secret for a long time now. The big fight is wages. What you do not want is an unhappy player spreading their discontent through the squad. Poch would not have wanted him on tour. I think time will tell us that 50- million was great business; let's see how many games he plays yeah?
 
Man Utd are ABSOLUTELY looking to destabilize the club. It's not just about Dier but the 'superstars'. They (and others - but particularly them) are worried about us, know they cannot offer anything more on the pitch/in terms of great squad spirit, but know they can blow us out of the water with wages. Kane won't bite for some time because he won't, but they are looking to get into the heads of everybody else. There is little doubt that some wage increases will have to happen sooner than later...
I think you are spot on here. The status quo has been upset the last few seasons and the sky cartel don't like it. We have collected a special group of players now and we are consolidating our position in the new order of things. With the stadium revenue this may become a more permanent change and it is one that scares the brick out the other teams at the top.
But we are not there yet and we don't have the money the others have so they are attacking our weak point in the hope that they will somehow destroy what we have before we truly get going. They won't, but I think Levy should consider going a little higher with the wages/bonuses/itune vouchers for our first 11+.
 
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I think you are spot on here. The status quo has been upset the last few seasons and the sky cartel don't like it. We have collected a special group of players now and we are consolidating our position in the new order of things. With the stadium revenue this may become a more permanent change and it is one that scares the brick out the other teams at the top. But we are not there yet and we don't have the money the others have so they are attacking our weak point in the hope that they will somehow destroy what we have before we truly get going. They won't, but I think Levy should consider going a little higher with the wages/bonuses/itune vouchers with our first 11+.
I would like to think that Daniel could also stretch to some book tokens too. ITK tells me that the Spurs 1st Team book club is chocka-block with voracious readers familiar with, and partial to, the works of Will Self, Zadie Smith, Jonathan Chabon and early Rushdie.
 
Man Utd are ABSOLUTELY looking to destabilize the club. It's not just about Dier but the 'superstars'. They (and others - but particularly them) are worried about us, know they cannot offer anything more on the pitch/in terms of great squad spirit, but know they can blow us out of the water with wages. Kane won't bite for some time because he won't, but they are looking to get into the heads of everybody else. There is little doubt that some wage increases will have to happen sooner than later...

It isn't just United - it's every club that can do so taking turns. Last time we were close to challenging was in 2011 - it was Chelsea then, with their attempts to unsettle Modric. If they had succeeded, the rest would rush in and take their pick. This time, it's United with their public overtures to Dier. Maybe next year it will be City with Alli. Each trying to act as the battering ram behind which the others lurk, willing to rush in when the hard work has been done by the fella with the most cash doing the battering up front.

We are fortunate in that the prospect of selling to either Arsenal or Chelsea is nil for various reasons, and that Liverpool aren't really good enough to unsettle our players to any significant extent. That just leaves the two Manchester clubs for now. But make no mistake, this is something that is in the interest of all of them, so if it isn't United, it will be City..and if we fall from our perch, it will be Chelsea and Liverpool. And it will go on, and on, and on until one of three things happens - a) we get an owner rich enough (and interested enough) to tell them all to f*ck off in the only language they'd understand - the language of money. B), we win things and pull ourselves up to the level where we can really sell the club as a better competitive prospect than them to interested players. Or C) we fail, our players leave to them and we fall back into mid-table obscurity, albeit with a shiny new stadium and housing development to console ourselves with.
 
I would like to think that Daniel could also stretch to some book tokens too. ITK tells me that the Spurs 1st Team book club is chocka-block with voracious readers familiar with, and partial to, the works of Will Self, Zadie Smith, Jonathan Chabon and early Rushdie.
Rushdie? Ha. I tried reading Midnight's Children a few times myself and then decided not to.

Our lads are more into the settlers of catan I believe.
 
It isn't just United - it's every club that can do so taking turns. Last time we were close to challenging was in 2011 - it was Chelsea then, with their attempts to unsettle Modric. If they had succeeded, the rest would rush in and take their pick. This time, it's United with their public overtures to Dier. Maybe next year it will be City with Alli. Each trying to act as the battering ram behind which the others lurk, willing to rush in when the hard work has been done by the fella with the most cash doing the battering up front.

We are fortunate in that the prospect of selling to either Arsenal or Chelsea is nil for various reasons, and that Liverpool aren't really good enough to unsettle our players to any significant extent. That just leaves the two Manchester clubs for now. But make no mistake, this is something that is in the interest of all of them, so if it isn't United, it will be City..and if we fall from our perch, it will be Chelsea and Liverpool. And it will go on, and on, and on until one of three things happens - a) we get an owner rich enough (and interested enough) to tell them all to f*ck off in the only language they'd understand - the language of money. B), we win things and pull ourselves up to the level where we can really sell the club as a better competitive prospect than them to interested players. Or C) we fail, our players leave to them and we fall back into mid-table obscurity, albeit with a shiny new stadium and housing development to console ourselves with.
I'll have a 'B' please Bob.
 
Actually it happens all the time.

The majority of football writers aren't paid a particularly large wage, and it's tough to get anywhere if you don't have enough friendly contacts in high places.

Most would avoid annoying a top club's chairman just to report one fairly minor story, if it meant getting better access or tips offs in the future.

These stories simply suggest it's better to be in favour with Man Utd's people than Spurs.

Pretty much. I get annoyed by the journos who so transparently shill for big clubs - but it's a hard, generally low-paid profession rife with nepotism and networking in the most basic sense. Namely, 'what have you done for me lately?'.

Almost nobody in the sports journalism industry has the freedom to work on their own line anymore - the highest-profile ones occasionally get that license, as do specialists in a particular area of expertise (David Conn, for instance ,with regard to football finances - the Guardian's area specialists (Honigstein, Bandini and Lowe) on their respective areas of continental football, and so on). But your average journo has to follow the money just to keep himself or herself afloat in the industry, and that's usually attached to following a certain club's line so you can get better stories from them in the future. That extends to as far up as the likes of Matt Law and Jamie Jackson at the national level (both of whom follow club lines to a large extent - Law does Chelsea and Spurs, and Jamie Jackson generally does the United beat) and the big journos at the regional papers, who mostly occupy their positions courtesy of their close relationships with the local clubs.

As an industry, sports journalism is a dying prospect. People don't want to pay for copy anymore, and that extends equally to sports reporting when some bloke on Twitter can break whatever you're painstakingly writing a story on in 150 characters or less - and he does it for free. The romantic image of the trenchcoated journo at the stadium, pencil behind the ear, writing up loving, pensive or (alternately) witty copy about the exploits of the club he's assigned to and football more broadly - that died a lonely, forgotten death a long time ago.

Hard to get upset that journos are trying to make it by parroting club lines, given that general context.
 
I'll have a 'B' please Bob.

Well, that means actually winning things, mind - not finishing 2nd/3rd/4th and claiming that it's as good or better than a trophy, as some among us are wont to do. :p 'Win things' equals a variety of pots and pans in the trophy cabinet, a steady stream of medals and a firm guarantee to any players that join - namely, that they will not leave Tottenham Hotspur without burnishing up their own places in football history as winners of competitions large and small.

It's harder to sell that when you only have finishing as runners-up or something to sell yourself with - the question will always be 'yes, you're on an upward *trajectory*, but you haven't won a single thing yet - so how can I be sure that you will do so in the future?'.
 
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It isn't just United - it's every club that can do so taking turns. Last time we were close to challenging was in 2011 - it was Chelsea then, with their attempts to unsettle Modric. This time, it's United with their public overtures to Dier.
Show me any quote where United have signalled their intentions.
 
Pretty much. I get annoyed by the journos who so transparently shill for big clubs - but it's a hard, generally low-paid profession rife with nepotism and networking in the most basic sense. Namely, 'what have you done for me lately?'.

Almost nobody in the sports journalism industry has the freedom to work on their own line anymore - the highest-profile ones occasionally get that license, as do specialists in a particular area of expertise (David Conn, for instance ,with regard to football finances - the Guardian's area specialists (Honigstein, Bandini and Lowe) on their respective areas of continental football, and so on). But your average journo has to follow the money just to keep himself or herself afloat in the industry, and that's usually attached to following a certain club's line so you can get better stories from them in the future. That extends to as far up as the likes of Matt Law and Jamie Jackson at the national level (both of whom follow club lines to a large extent - Law does Chelsea and Spurs, and Jamie Jackson generally does the United beat) and the big journos at the regional papers, who mostly occupy their positions courtesy of their close relationships with the local clubs.

As an industry, sports journalism is a dying prospect. People don't want to pay for copy anymore, and that extends equally to sports reporting when some bloke on Twitter can break whatever you're painstakingly writing a story on in 150 characters or less - and he does it for free. The romantic image of the trenchcoated journo at the stadium, pencil behind the ear, writing up loving, pensive or (alternately) witty copy about the exploits of the club he's assigned to and football more broadly - that died a lonely, forgotten death a long time ago.

Hard to get upset that journos are trying to make it by parroting club lines, given that general context.

A really good post, although I personally still hold disdain for them; brave journey could resist, alas, it is not that easy I know but this whole thing just devalues their 'craft' even further...
 
Show me any quote where United have signalled their intentions.

There is a 'theory' that some parties use 'beat writers' to 'spread messages' mate. You know this. I know this. We all know this. Access to new signings/manager/various other stories during the season can be easier or far, far tougher...
 
Show me any quote where United have signalled their intentions.

That would be a stupid move given the fact its called tapping up. Do you honestly believe that Utd don't go about their transfer business in an underhand way?

As this week's wind-up merchant, I have a simple question for you...


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A really good post, although I personally still hold disdain for them; brave journey could resist, alas, it is not that easy I know but this whole thing just devalues their 'craft' even further...

I understand your point of view, but I can't quite share your disdain. Sports journos go into sports journalism in the first place because they're passionate about the sports they cover, and are perhaps taken in by the lure of being the man on the beat assigned to cover the clubs they love (in football journalism, anyway). Once they're in the field, they find that it's a cut-throat, nepotistic affair, where there are three ways you can go - firstly, publish endless amounts of clickbait journalism and two-paragraph articles for pennies on the dollar, often not earning enough to even justify the investment in time and bandwidth. Secondly, get an education and a network of contacts in a sector so specialized that you don't have many competitors in your field, and pitch yourself on the basis of that specialization to a hundred papers (ninety-eight of which will probably reject you because they don't need someone with that specialization). Or, thirdly, work to get into the good graces of the club you're covering on a frequent basis, in the hope that you can break some exclusive news they leak you and get noticed that way.

The former option will soon die out too, in my opinion - algorithms for auto-generating articles like those written for clickbait purposes are getting better, and the decline of advertising revenue across the internet in general is going to ensure that people left writing those kinds of articles will get even less money for what they do.

So, what choice will they have in that situation? Every journo dreams of being the one to pen long, revealing, thoughtful articles in national newspapers - of being the type to break world-changing stories that win Pulitzers (or, in this case, awards for sports journalists). But to even get to the point where a national newspaper will consider giving you the time and space to write your own copy, you need to have a name and a record of breaking stories that generate clicks and views, or copies (if you're still in the rapidly dying print business). And the only ways left to do that now are to work your way into a club's good graces *or* be an area specialist in a field rare enough for a paper to give you time to write the stories that will get you noticed. Naturally, the vast majority go for the former option.

If you want better journalism as a consumer, pay for it. If you want better journalism as a citizen, vote for parties that help improve the media landscape so that this stuff isn't necessary anymore. But otherwise, the man or woman doing the writing isn't really to blame for wanting a way to make a (still very modest) living, imo.
 
I understand your point of view, but I can't quite share your disdain. Sports journos go into sports journalism in the first place because they're passionate about the sports they cover, and are perhaps taken in by the lure of being the man on the beat assigned to cover the clubs they love (in football journalism, anyway). Once they're in the field, they find that it's a cut-throat, nepotistic affair, where there are three ways you can go - firstly, publish endless amounts of clickbait journalism and two-paragraph articles for pennies on the dollar, often not earning enough to even justify the investment in time and bandwidth. Secondly, get an education and a network of contacts in a sector so specialized that you don't have many competitors in your field, and pitch yourself on the basis of that specialization to a hundred papers (ninety-eight of which will probably reject you because they don't need someone with that specialization). Or, thirdly, work to get into the good graces of the club you're covering on a frequent basis, in the hope that you can break some exclusive news they leak you and get noticed that way.

The former option will soon die out too, in my opinion - algorithms for auto-generating articles like those written for clickbait purposes are getting better, and the decline of advertising revenue across the internet in general is going to ensure that people left writing those kinds of articles will get even less money for what they do.

So, what choice will they have in that situation? Every journo dreams of being the one to pen long, revealing, thoughtful articles in national newspapers - of being the type to break world-changing stories that win Pulitzers (or, in this case, awards for sports journalists). But to even get to the point where a national newspaper will consider giving you the time and space to write your own copy, you need to have a name and a record of breaking stories that generate clicks and views, or copies (if you're still in the rapidly dying print business). And the only ways left to do that now are to work your way into a club's good graces *or* be an area specialist in a field rare enough for a paper to give you time to write the stories that will get you noticed. Naturally, the vast majority go for the former option.

If you want better journalism as a consumer, pay for it. If you want better journalism as a citizen, vote for parties that help improve the media landscape so that this stuff isn't necessary anymore. But otherwise, the man or woman doing the writing isn't really to blame for wanting a way to make a (still very modest) living, imo.

Anyone going into journalism -especially sports journalism- who does not know this is what it's about is naive and instantly compromisable IMO.
I agree people should pay for journalism.
I absolutely blame anyone who, once they've made the grade, is then too weak to do their job with integrity and standards.
 
I don't think so. Kyle Walker's departure has been a poorly kept secret for a long time now. The big fight is wages. What you do not want is an unhappy player spreading their discontent through the squad. Poch would not have wanted him on tour. I think time will tell us that 50- million was great business; let's see how many games he plays yeah?
I don't really disagree with your post, but in terms of seeing how many games he plays, I'd imagine all of them seeing as he's there only RB?
 
I don't really disagree with your post, but in terms of seeing how many games he plays, I'd imagine all of them seeing as he's there only RB?

That's still an issue for them. One thing signing Walker but he hasn't had a great injury record if late and they have no cover
 
I understand your point of view, but I can't quite share your disdain. Sports journos go into sports journalism in the first place because they're passionate about the sports they cover, and are perhaps taken in by the lure of being the man on the beat assigned to cover the clubs they love (in football journalism, anyway). Once they're in the field, they find that it's a cut-throat, nepotistic affair, where there are three ways you can go - firstly, publish endless amounts of clickbait journalism and two-paragraph articles for pennies on the dollar, often not earning enough to even justify the investment in time and bandwidth. Secondly, get an education and a network of contacts in a sector so specialized that you don't have many competitors in your field, and pitch yourself on the basis of that specialization to a hundred papers (ninety-eight of which will probably reject you because they don't need someone with that specialization). Or, thirdly, work to get into the good graces of the club you're covering on a frequent basis, in the hope that you can break some exclusive news they leak you and get noticed that way.

The former option will soon die out too, in my opinion - algorithms for auto-generating articles like those written for clickbait purposes are getting better, and the decline of advertising revenue across the internet in general is going to ensure that people left writing those kinds of articles will get even less money for what they do.

So, what choice will they have in that situation? Every journo dreams of being the one to pen long, revealing, thoughtful articles in national newspapers - of being the type to break world-changing stories that win Pulitzers (or, in this case, awards for sports journalists). But to even get to the point where a national newspaper will consider giving you the time and space to write your own copy, you need to have a name and a record of breaking stories that generate clicks and views, or copies (if you're still in the rapidly dying print business). And the only ways left to do that now are to work your way into a club's good graces *or* be an area specialist in a field rare enough for a paper to give you time to write the stories that will get you noticed. Naturally, the vast majority go for the former option.

If you want better journalism as a consumer, pay for it. If you want better journalism as a citizen, vote for parties that help improve the media landscape so that this stuff isn't necessary anymore. But otherwise, the man or woman doing the writing isn't really to blame for wanting a way to make a (still very modest) living, imo.[/QUOTE
I understand your point of view, but I can't quite share your disdain. Sports journos go into sports journalism in the first place because they're passionate about the sports they cover, and are perhaps taken in by the lure of being the man on the beat assigned to cover the clubs they love (in football journalism, anyway). Once they're in the field, they find that it's a cut-throat, nepotistic affair, where there are three ways you can go - firstly, publish endless amounts of clickbait journalism and two-paragraph articles for pennies on the dollar, often not earning enough to even justify the investment in time and bandwidth. Secondly, get an education and a network of contacts in a sector so specialized that you don't have many competitors in your field, and pitch yourself on the basis of that specialization to a hundred papers (ninety-eight of which will probably reject you because they don't need someone with that specialization). Or, thirdly, work to get into the good graces of the club you're covering on a frequent basis, in the hope that you can break some exclusive news they leak you and get noticed that way.

The former option will soon die out too, in my opinion - algorithms for auto-generating articles like those written for clickbait purposes are getting better, and the decline of advertising revenue across the internet in general is going to ensure that people left writing those kinds of articles will get even less money for what they do.

So, what choice will they have in that situation? Every journo dreams of being the one to pen long, revealing, thoughtful articles in national newspapers - of being the type to break world-changing stories that win Pulitzers (or, in this case, awards for sports journalists). But to even get to the point where a national newspaper will consider giving you the time and space to write your own copy, you need to have a name and a record of breaking stories that generate clicks and views, or copies (if you're still in the rapidly dying print business). And the only ways left to do that now are to work your way into a club's good graces *or* be an area specialist in a field rare enough for a paper to give you time to write the stories that will get you noticed. Naturally, the vast majority go for the former option.

If you want better journalism as a consumer, pay for it. If you want better journalism as a citizen, vote for parties that help improve the media landscape so that this stuff isn't necessary anymore. But otherwise, the man or woman doing the writing isn't really to blame for wanting a way to make a (still very modest) living, imo.
Journalism like all industries has change massively in the last 50 years. I worked in the industry all my working life from local rag to national and international companies and virtually all the "sports journalist" I've known desperately wanted to move on to better things as most were not highly regarded, but that was before the Sky impact. Alan Partridge is a wonderful facsimile of the type. Back in the 60's a lot of match reports were sourced from news agencies or chosen employees who went to the game.
 
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