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Eric Dier

scaramanga said:
In a market where Virgil van Dijk goes for £60m then anything less than £75-80m for Walker is a steal.
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We shall see how much of a steal it is.....imo Poch has made Walker look better than he really is.

Walker only wanted to go to City. This limited Levy's bargaining stance, he couldn't draw in other bidders to up the price. Also Poch wanted him out asap. Put all these together I think we did very very well to get 50 mill for Walker.
 
thfcsteff said:
Anyone going into journalism -especially sports journalism- who does not know this is what it's about is naive and instantly compromisable IMO.
I agree people should pay for journalism.
I absolutely blame anyone who, once they've made the grade, is then too weak to do their job with integrity and standards.
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That's reasonable, mate, but I disagree, is all. Personally, I feel it's a difficult field, and it's a difficult job these days - although I share your dislike of the shilling that journos do for the clubs that feed them info, I can't bring myself to blame the journos over the industry itself.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Journalism like all industries has change massively in the last 50 years. I worked in the industry all my working life from local rag to national and international companies and virtually all the "sports journalist" I've known desperately wanted to move on to better things as most were not highly regarded, but that was before the Sky impact. Alan Partridge is a wonderful facsimile of the type. Back in the 60's a lot of match reports were sourced from news agencies or chosen employees who went to the game.
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So, d'you think it's better for sports journos now post Sky, or worse?
 
DubaiSpur said:
So, d'you think it's better for sports journos now post Sky, or worse?
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The standards are lower as their employers have a different agenda, hits on sites help generate adverts. For many they have managed to raise their profile and reach the holy grail of tv.
I find the quality good in most sports apart from football, but then football does have the thickest followers.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
The standards are lower as their employers have a different agenda, hits on sites help generate adverts. For many they have managed to raise their profile and reach the holy grail of tv.
I find the quality good in most sports apart from football, but then football does have the thickest followers.
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I don't agree with the last statement and would put it down to averages as football has the largest following

But I certainly agree with everything else... football fans live click bait and will belive anything written, even if it's by a 12 year of without hair on his balls

The reality is though in most other sports their isn't the need for rumour and conjecture as everything is more open. I hate American sports to watch but their concepts are brilliant. All contracts are public and the draft system means everyone gets a chance to control their own destiny with their recruitment.... the latter wouldn't work in modern football but at least it makes for competitive sports
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The reality is though in most other sports their isn't the need for rumour and conjecture as everything is more open. I hate American sports to watch but their concepts are brilliant. All contracts are public and the draft system means everyone gets a chance to control their own destiny with their recruitment.... the latter wouldn't work in modern football but at least it makes for competitive sports
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American sport being open about contracts etc is ok, but for me their set up does not work on the whole and being able to ship clubs here there and everywhere isnt organic like football.

I like baseball and have nothing against American sport, but its all abit too clinical and manufactured for me
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
The standards are lower as their employers have a different agenda, hits on sites help generate adverts. For many they have managed to raise their profile and reach the holy grail of tv.
I find the quality good in most sports apart from football, but then football does have the thickest followers.
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The Cricket press is generally for my money the best in the business, articulate and factual, football journalism is pants on the whole, just a bunch of men who believe they have power to sway and effect the game
 
Grays_1890 said:
The Cricket press is generally for my money the best in the business, articulate and factual, football journalism is pants on the whole, just a bunch of men who believe they have power to sway and effect the game
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I agree and rugby is the same, writers can analysis a game and the players performance, whereas in football it's all about personality or dispute. For years the media gloryfied Gerrard and Lampard and never bothered to offer an opinion on why they never worked at international level, much easier to keep Liverpool and Chelsea fans happy or blame the manager.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I agree and rugby is the same, writers can analysis a game and the players performance, whereas in football it's all about personality or dispute. For years the media gloryfied Gerrard and Lampard and never bothered to offer an opinion on why they never worked at international level, much easier to keep Liverpool and Chelsea fans happy or blame the manager.
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Summed it up well there, the part at the end is spot on, the press are not stupid and they know that clubs look for quick success and play on that and report added pressure on managers knowing it will influence decisions. I know based on his recent record people will argue it was ominous but I maintain that for Moyes at Man United, record was that of LVG and Mourinho but less of a darling and gone, they loved doing that and I know someone in the press who told me they loved every minute pilling it on
 
Grays_1890 said:
Summed it up well there, the part at the end is spot on, the press are not stupid and they know that clubs look for quick success and play on that and report added pressure on managers knowing it will influence decisions. I know based on his recent record people will argue it was ominous but I maintain that for Moyes at Man United, record was that of LVG and Mourinho but less of a darling and gone, they loved doing that and I know someone in the press who told me they loved every minute pilling it on
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And Guardiola would have been sacked by any self-respecting club in that position last summer, if he wasn't such a 'personality'.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I agree and rugby is the same, writers can analysis a game and the players performance, whereas in football it's all about personality or dispute. For years the media gloryfied Gerrard and Lampard and never bothered to offer an opinion on why they never worked at international level, much easier to keep Liverpool and Chelsea fans happy or blame the manager.
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Could not agree more with this. The same applies to ex players and pundits. I could listen to the likes of Botham, Holding, Warne etc all day and I feel like I learn something new every time I watch cricket and listen to their commentary. Same applies for tennis. Football is the complete opposite. The Gerrard-Lampard conundrum is a prime example. Every football fan besides Chelsea and Liverpool supporters could see for years that they don't work together, the performances proved it but the pundits continued to claim they could and it was all the fault of the manager for not getting the best out of them. It's quite simple, you pick the best players in their best players and design a system that best suits said players, you don't try to shoehorn players into any position because they are a big name.

And people wonder why we haven't won anything or reached a final since 1966.
 
As for Dier, he appears happy enough, his twitter still has him proudly wearing our colours, not the be all and end all but you can sometimes read into things like that (Walker changed his profile pic to him playing for England a few weeks ago). I don't care if we get an offer for £80m, we should be done selling our players to our rivals for the foreseeable future.
 
Jurgen the German said:
As for Dier, he appears happy enough, his twitter still has him proudly wearing our colours, not the be all and end all but you can sometimes read into things like that (Walker changed his profile pic to him playing for England a few weeks ago). I don't care if we get an offer for £80m, we should be done selling our players to our rivals for the foreseeable future.
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I'm confident none of our best players will be moving now Walker is gone.
 
DeleHarry said:
I'm confident none of our best players will be moving now Walker is gone.
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Hope you're right. I think he will stay and the press do like to stir it just to sell papers but there's no smoke without fire. I don't buy that all of these transfer stories in general are made up, hopefully the Dier one is though.
 
Diers a strange one for me, I like him alot and he is a beast for us, but he is one of the benefactors of the drilled system that Poch plays, when you take him out that system where he as a pretty rigid role he gets lost, like for England, not the same player. Thats what happens in football, I call it Emirates Marketing Project syndrome, signing players from excelling in a role and it not working in your system so I am not sure he will go and be a hit at United.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Diers a strange one for me, I like him alot and he is a beast for us, but he is one of the benefactors of the drilled system that Poch plays, when you take him out that system where he as a pretty rigid role he gets lost, like for England, not the same player. Thats what happens in football, I call it Emirates Marketing Project syndrome, signing players from excelling in a role and it not working in your system so I am not sure he will go and be a hit at United.
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Brilliant post

It's happened with the Saints players that looked superb for them under Poch but once he left and they moved on they have become half the players

Look at Shaw, Clyne, Lovren, Fonte,Lallana, Lambert

Edit. .....Schneiderlin too
 
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