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[glasgowspur]

That's right, and Ange started on day 1 of pre-season. He's made it as far as Jose and Conte did already and signs are good that we might have another Poch or Harry length tenure on our hands. Even if we let Ange go, here's hoping it will be at the end of a season and we've done that due diligence.

My only challenge with the transition was Stellini. It was clear that we needed to clear Conte's team out and manage the end of the season ourselves. We had Mason and Wells who were more than competent. In fact one of my favourite moments was when the Mason/Wells duo conjured up the new free-kick routine on the training ground. Kane must of put 100 dead ball free-kicks into the crowd or wall over the last few seasons, so they got Hoj to roll it first and Harry to strike it as a moving ball into the top corner. It was a thing of beauty and you could tell the entire team and coaching staff come together over it.

I know Mason gets some stick, but he has done a pretty decent job of unscrambling the player's heads very quickly after the toxic Jose and Conte left the club.

They only started rolling it kane because it was pointed out that he had the longest run in pro football for non scoring FKs.
That Mason actually allowed that to happen meant he should have been fired on the spot.
As should conte and Jose.
It's fudging ridiculous that a club of our standing apparently allows these things to happen.
Mason is turning into another pleat, hanging around in background waiting for sackings to "step in".
I not convinced this is good thing.

 

[Muttley]

They only started rolling it kane because it was pointed out that he had the longest run in pro football for non scoring FKs.
That Mason actually allowed that to happen meant he should have been fired on the spot.
As should conte and Jose.
It's fudging ridiculous that a club of our standing apparently allows these things to happen.
Mason is turning into another pleat, hanging around in background waiting for sackings to "step in".
I not convinced this is good thing.

Nah, Mason wasn't the reason for Kane's free-kick debacle in my mind. He helped resolve it.

It was up to Jose, Nuno and Conte to step Kane down from free-kicks. Just like it was down to them to withdraw Kane from games before the 95th minute and get a higher work rate out of the player. They needed to take those kid gloves off with the great, but over-empowered player. It wasn't a healthy relationship.

I was always on the fence with the free-kicks. On one hand it made me really angry that Kane had the audacity to snatch the ball off his own team mates and insist on keep taking them. On the other hand, we all know he had it in him and part of me was expecting every one to go in. There does come a time though when the player should be more honourable about what was happening.

Where I do agree is that I believe Mason should go and cut his teeth elsewhere. If he wants to be a number 2 or generic coach then he's in the right place. If he has aspirations to be a 1st team coach, then he is in the wrong place. I don't see any bad side to the person though. He's one of us.

 

[glasgowspur]

Nah, Mason wasn't the reason for Kane's free-kick debacle in my mind. He helped resolve it.

It was up to Jose, Nuno and Conte to step Kane down from free-kicks. Just like it was down to them to withdraw Kane from games before the 95th minute and get a higher work rate out of the player. They needed to take those kid gloves off with the great, but over-empowered player. It wasn't a healthy relationship.

I was always on the fence with the free-kicks. On one hand it made me really angry that Kane had the audacity to snatch the ball off his own team mates and insist on keep taking them. On the other hand, we all know he had it in him and part of me was expecting every one to go in. There does come a time though when the player should be more honourable about what was happening.

Where I do agree is that I believe Mason should go and cut his teeth elsewhere. If he wants to be a number 2 or generic coach then he's in the right place. If he has aspirations to be a 1st team coach, then he is in the wrong place. I don't see any bad side to the person though. He's one of us.

He never looked like scoring, ever.

 

[Gazza]

That's right, and Ange started on day 1 of pre-season. He's made it as far as Jose and Conte did already and signs are good that we might have another Poch or Harry length tenure on our hands. Even if we let Ange go, here's hoping it will be at the end of a season and we've done that due diligence.

My only challenge with the transition was Stellini. It was clear that we needed to clear Conte's team out and manage the end of the season ourselves. We had Mason and Wells who were more than competent. In fact one of my favourite moments was when the Mason/Wells duo conjured up the new free-kick routine on the training ground. Kane must of put 100 dead ball free-kicks into the crowd or wall over the last few seasons, so they got Hoj to roll it first and Harry to strike it as a moving ball into the top corner. It was a thing of beauty and you could tell the entire team and coaching staff come together over it.

I know Mason gets some stick, but he has done a pretty decent job of unscrambling the player's heads very quickly after the toxic Jose and Conte left the club.

To be fair mason has no real experience or accreditation to even be sat in the dug out and easy to pick up the mantle after the two managers mentioned were thrown out on their asses. Conte should have been backed as he is an elite manager. I don’t understand how Ange is getting this much backing looking like he is out of his depth yet Conte didn’t get any support whatsoever, even when he drilled some honest home truths about Spurs

 

[Bishop]

That's right, and Ange started on day 1 of pre-season. He's made it as far as Jose and Conte did already and signs are good that we might have another Poch or Harry length tenure on our hands. Even if we let Ange go, here's hoping it will be at the end of a season and we've done that due diligence.

My only challenge with the transition was Stellini. It was clear that we needed to clear Conte's team out and manage the end of the season ourselves. We had Mason and Wells who were more than competent. In fact one of my favourite moments was when the Mason/Wells duo conjured up the new free-kick routine on the training ground. Kane must of put 100 dead ball free-kicks into the crowd or wall over the last few seasons, so they got Hoj to roll it first and Harry to strike it as a moving ball into the top corner. It was a thing of beauty and you could tell the entire team and coaching staff come together over it.

I know Mason gets some stick, but he has done a pretty decent job of unscrambling the player's heads very quickly after the toxic Jose and Conte left the club.

The issue with the sacking/quitting of Conte is it did leave us in the pitch and we had no real plan in place. I wondered at the time of part of the place was to let Stellini takeover medium term and maybe even reintroduce Conte at a later point once fully well. Obviously Stellini didn't work and Mason had to come in.

I respect the fact we didn't then rush into an appointment and rather spent our time a bit more carefully. It does suggest the new model is one that we intend to follow through with, something I'm very hopeful for.

 

[Muttley]

To be fair mason has no real experience or accreditation to even be sat in the dug out and easy to pick up the mantle after the two managers mentioned were thrown out on their asses. Conte should have been backed as he is an elite manager. I don’t understand how Ange is getting this much backing looking like he is out of his depth yet Conte didn’t get any support whatsoever, even when he drilled some honest home truths about Spurs

Mason had that head injury in 2018. He has dedicated his life since to coaching and has more tenure than guys like Gerrard and Lampard did when they took the big jobs. Time is on his side because of the premature end to his career. He's going about it the right way in my opinion, but he is now at the experience level where he could take a 1st team role, if that's what he wants.

I've never got the hate for Mason.

As for Conte, he only ever had one year of success outside of Italy, inheriting a fantastic squad. That all then came crashing down and he missed out on CL football. He rightly got his arse kicked out of Stamford Bridge. That guy should never leave Italy again. Some great little insights about him in Hugo's book. It was hugely implied that there was no people side to Antonio. He didn't even congratulate Hugo on winning the world cup. Just asked him when he could be back for training and matches. I read something from Gio as well. Not slating him or anything, but you could just tell that Conte was very hard work.

All I ask for with these managers is that they accept the job description of what it means to be a Spurs manager and get on with the job. Jose and Conte didn't. They pretended what it meant to be a Spurs manager and then went rogue on us. They started acting like they were at their previous clubs. With Ange, I now want him to be completely proprietorial about our club. I want him to really own the job in hand in a way that we eventually call him Mr Spurs.

 

[Grays_1890]

Mason had that head injury in 2018. He has dedicated his life since to coaching and has more tenure than guys like Gerrard and Lampard did when they took the big jobs. Time is on his side because of the premature end to his career. He's going about it the right way in my opinion, but he is now at the experience level where he could take a 1st team role, if that's what he wants.

I've never got the hate for Mason.

As for Conte, he only ever had one year of success outside of Italy, inheriting a fantastic squad. That all then came crashing down and he missed out on CL football. He rightly got his arse kicked out of Stamford Bridge. That guy should never leave Italy again. Some great little insights about him in Hugo's book. It was hugely implied that there was no people side to Antonio. He didn't even congratulate Hugo on winning the world cup. Just asked him when he could be back for training and matches. I read something from Gio as well. Not slating him or anything, but you could just tell that Conte was very hard work.

All I ask for with these managers is that they accept the job description of what it means to be a Spurs manager and get on with the job. Jose and Conte didn't. They pretended what it meant to be a Spurs manager and then went rogue on us. They started acting like they were at their previous clubs. With Ange, I now want him to be completely proprietorial about our club. I want him to really own the job in hand in a way that we eventually call him Mr Spurs.

Its an attack on Levy by Proxy IMO, along with false rumours of "he reports back to Levy. Mason gets stick for being the guy who steps up when the club makes a bad decision, other than weird bias people have no real facts to deal with when it comes to Mason, its a really odd one for me but I am not shocked

 

[Muttley]

Its an attack on Levy by Proxy IMO, along with false rumours of "he reports back to Levy. Mason gets stick for being the guy who steps up when the club makes a bad decision, other than weird bias people have no real facts to deal with when it comes to Mason, its a really odd one for me but I am not shocked

Yeah, but unfortunately Levy has a history of that. Sherwood was a classic example. He had a direct line to Levy in a way that he could influence the outcome and get the job himself. Levy's lack of football DNA meant he couldn't see the what the sly, back-stabbing barsteward was all about. He stole the credit for Inglethorpe and Ramsey's great worked and talked his way into the main role.

Guys like Hughton and Allen have done some incredible work for our club. Mason and Wells are cut from the same cloth. People forget that Matt Wells was one of our most promising academy players, who cruelly had no career due to injury. He's also Cliff Jones grandson and bleed THFC.

It's why Levy should be at Lilywhite House and not cosying up to the players and staff at the training ground.

 

[Grays_1890]

Yeah, but unfortunately Levy has a history of that. Sherwood was a classic example. He had a direct line to Levy in a way that he could influence the outcome and get the job himself. Levy's lack of football DNA meant he couldn't see the what the sly, back-stabbing barsteward was all about. He stole the credit for Inglethorpe and Ramsey's great worked and talked his way into the main role.

Guys like Hughton and Allen have done some incredible work for our club. Mason and Wells are cut from the same cloth. People forget that Matt Wells was one of our most promising academy players, who cruelly had no career due to injury. He's also Cliff Jones grandson and bleed THFC.

It's why Levy should be at Lilywhite House and not cosying up to the players and staff at the training ground.

Yeh but its also lazy and show a lack of imagination to just say "Mason is Levys spy", from seemingly intelligent people.

Such is life I suppose

 

[glasgowspur]

Its an attack on Levy by Proxy IMO, along with false rumours of "he reports back to Levy. Mason gets stick for being the guy who steps up when the club makes a bad decision, other than weird bias people have no real facts to deal with when it comes to Mason, its a really odd one for me but I am not shocked

Certainly isn't the case for me, for me it's more that they become closer to the players than the manager does and it undermines the manager.
Mason having been a contemporary of Harry, Eriksen, son etc his allegiances are not necessarily in the correct place.
I don't think he has ever truly believed he would be offered the position full time (unlike Tim ), so I can't say he is doing it deliberately, but imv it has an effect.

 

[metalgear]

So nitpicking, we are a top 6 side (not 8), have been for almost 19 years more consistently than almost anyone else (we have only been outside top 6 twice in that time, United, Pool, Arsenal, Chelsea have all been outside that equal/more times).

We would have to spend like a title challenging side to have title challenging expectations and our current ownership model doesn't do that. The pressure we have traditionally put on our managers is with a top 6/7 spend, achieve a top 4/5 result.

Yes, fans influence the ownership (I think the big example of that is Nuno). I don't think Ange is under real pressure but at this level, lose 3 games on the bounce and that always can change.

i believe the "ownership" will sack ange if he doesn't get europe again - regardless of what the fans think

 

[Muttley]

This is an interesting one - https://onefootball.com/en/news/giovani-lo-celso-talks-about-spurs-in-recent-interview-40436902

I have a feeling that Dier and Reggie would tell very similar stories about the current regime's treatment of their club exits. I know Hugo did. I expect no less from a Levy culture after the snippets we've had over the years from Modric, Hugo etc in their books. However, when Ange does beat the drum about culture, honesty, life coaching etc you'd like to think he is walking the talk with the entire playing staff. Conte seems to get no nice comments from any ex-player.

In my opinion, what we have right now is some very diplomatic ex players that could easily stick the knife into the club, but they won't because of their love for us, the fans. You won't see me backing my own club on some of this. I know we were badly run in a lot of our football operations.

 

[Grays_1890]

Certainly isn't the case for me, for me it's more that they become closer to the players than the manager does and it undermines the manager.
Mason having been a contemporary of Harry, Eriksen, son etc his allegiances are not necessarily in the correct place.
I don't think he has ever truly believed he would be offered the position full time (unlike Tim ), so I can't say he is doing it deliberately, but imv it has an effect.

But I have heard many a story how that transition is actually harder for people and I also wanna give people the benefit of the doubt that Mason would use those relationships professionally. My point is that generally and I don't mean you BTW is that people use negative perceptions or theories about him more than they would anyone else, which I find weird and I maintain its because they try and sell this idea that he is a Levy Spy usually.

I also like to think people like Ange and co would be stronger if they thought he was a negative impact, its their career on the line as the face of the team

 

[glasgowspur]

But I have heard many a story how that transition is actually harder for people and I also wanna give people the benefit of the doubt that Mason would use those relationships professionally. My point is that generally and I don't mean you BTW is that people use negative perceptions or theories about him more than they would anyone else, which I find weird and I maintain its because they try and sell this idea that he is a Levy Spy usually.

I also like to think people like Ange and co would be stronger if they thought he was a negative impact, its their career on the line as the face of the team

In our club in particular I think we keep some people around too long, for the correct reasons I have to add, but because the club management is divisive they are in a difficult position.
That must be really hard for mason, levy has given him a position that few clubs would have, but he was also dealing with a lot players that he will have formed bonds with.
He's in an unenviable position.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

But I have heard many a story how that transition is actually harder for people and I also wanna give people the benefit of the doubt that Mason would use those relationships professionally. My point is that generally and I don't mean you BTW is that people use negative perceptions or theories about him more than they would anyone else, which I find weird and I maintain its because they try and sell this idea that he is a Levy Spy usually.

I also like to think people like Ange and co would be stronger if they thought he was a negative impact, its their career on the line as the face of the team

Well if some random fans on the internet have worked out that Mason is Levy’s spy, you’d expect the players to have worked it out also. Somewhat negating his value as a spy.

 

[Grays_1890]

In our club in particular I think we keep some people around too long, for the correct reasons I have to add, but because the club management is divisive they are in a difficult position.
That must be really hard for mason, levy has given him a position that few clubs would have, but he was also dealing with a lot players that he will have formed bonds with.
He's in an unenviable position.

I think those bonds would have now gone though, there is not anyone here that he has worked with in a playing capacity, not that I can remember.

I actually think to the contrary we have been a quite transient club in terms of people and staff but in honesty I have nothing to compare it to outside.

As I say, I think Mason is a negative people have built up in their own minds because its an additional, not needed, stick to beat Levy with.

 

[Grays_1890]

Well if some random fans on the internet have worked out that Mason is Levy’s spy, you’d expect the players to have worked it out also. Somewhat negating his value as a spy.

Well exactly

 

[Muttley]

I couldn't imagine anything better than becoming the manager of a new club and having a guy like Mason around me.

Mason isn't a Jose man, Nuno man or a Conte man. He is a Spurs man and his own man, and only speaks for the best of the club. He's been a player and a coach and would have been invaluable to Ange's assimilation period to the club. There is perhaps a couple of clues why Ange then chose Chris Davies as his first right hand man, and now Matt Wells as his second. He overlooked Ryan both times, perhaps believing he needs more experience as a coach first. Wells took his UEFA coaching badges at the age of 20 so has twice the experience of Ryan. The other difference is that Wells has only ever cut his cloth as being an assistant, perviously working with Parker.

 

[Muttley]

Interesting day for Everton. Sold for only £400m. Aren't we worth 10 times that nowadays?

 

[Gazza]

Interesting day for Everton. Sold for only £400m. Aren't we worth 10 times that nowadays?

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