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Grays_1890 said:
I think those bonds would have now gone though, there is not anyone here that he has worked with in a playing capacity, not that I can remember.

I actually think to the contrary we have been a quite transient club in terms of people and staff but in honesty I have nothing to compare it to outside.

As I say, I think Mason is a negative people have built up in their own minds because its an additional, not needed, stick to beat Levy with.
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There's only son left that he should have any ties to, so hopefully that will be an end to that.
We held on Tim too long and IMHO pleat way, way too long.
 
Muttley said:
Yeah, but unfortunately Levy has a history of that. Sherwood was a classic example. He had a direct line to Levy in a way that he could influence the outcome and get the job himself. Levy's lack of football DNA meant he couldn't see the what the sly, back-stabbing barsteward was all about. He stole the credit for Inglethorpe and Ramsey's great worked and talked his way into the main role.

Guys like Hughton and Allen have done some incredible work for our club. Mason and Wells are cut from the same cloth. People forget that Matt Wells was one of our most promising academy players, who cruelly had no career due to injury. He's also Cliff Jones grandson and bleed THFC.

It's why Levy should be at Lilywhite House and not cosying up to the players and staff at the training ground.
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Tbh Sherwood was only a glorified stop gap as AVB went insane rather rapidly. Sherwood was never getting the gig post the end of that season.

And nothing wrong with an insider/spy, all organisations need some shop floor covert feedback. Just make sure the recruit is lilywhite thru and thru. Mason certainly is (as is Lesley under Jose).

I don't think we need that with Ange...he's straight down the line, and is always looking to simplify rather than complicate. WYSIWYG.
 
Muttley said:
This is an interesting one - https://onefootball.com/en/news/giovani-lo-celso-talks-about-spurs-in-recent-interview-40436902

I have a feeling that Dier and Reggie would tell very similar stories about the current regime's treatment of their club exits. I know Hugo did. I expect no less from a Levy culture after the snippets we've had over the years from Modric, Hugo etc in their books. However, when Ange does beat the drum about culture, honesty, life coaching etc you'd like to think he is walking the talk with the entire playing staff. Conte seems to get no nice comments from any ex-player.

In my opinion, what we have right now is some very diplomatic ex players that could easily stick the knife into the club, but they won't because of their love for us, the fans. You won't see me backing my own club on some of this. I know we were badly run in a lot of our football operations.
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I'm not sure I agree, there is lots to beat ENIC/Levy with that is justified, ex-players not so sure?

A lot of our ex-players, including ones that don't fudging care about football in general still seem to have a connection with the club and turn up, seem to have good relationship with club (see Bale, BAE as great examples), multiple ex players across multiple ex managers qualify.

I get GLC is frustrated with his time here, we were frustrated as well, him saying he was told he was part of the plans each season? he probably was, probably got injured but available or not, its on him to convince the manager (literally nothing to do with club regime). Dier was told multiple times to move on, Lloris also knew, and again similar to Dier was too picky about next step. I'd argue the club did huge favors to all the Hugo, GLC, Gil, Dier, Aurier, and others in recent past, we seemingly have walked back on the era of have to get money/back profit (Carrick/Modric/Berbatov era was different but even Modric seems to have a soft spot for us at times)
 
Nuno was sacked because he got off to a poor start and the club remained in contact with the manager who they wanted in the first place and eventually convinced him to come. If you try and seperate the outcome of Conte's time at the club with the decision to replace Nuno with him you could probably argue it was a sign of determination from the club to get their man and ambition to appoint the better* manager.

*better CV at least




In football more than anything else the ends justify the means - every man and his dog was laughing at Chelsea & Todd Bohley up until this season, Tuchel > Potter > Poch > Maresca within 2 years is crazy stuff (not even Levy has gone through 4 permanent managers in less than 2 years) along with their scattergun approach to signings - now they're clicking and performing on the pitch it's all forgotten about, - same will happen here when we eventually get it right.
 
Jordinho said:
Can't wait to hear how their new owners are better than ENIC once they splash a bit of cash early on. Nothing ever about the disaster most of those ownerships turn into, like Everton's previous owner or what their current owner has done to Roma.
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Is that really the fear of the ceiling that you are alluding to
 
Raziel said:
I'm not sure I agree, there is lots to beat ENIC/Levy with that is justified, ex-players not so sure?

A lot of our ex-players, including ones that don't fudging care about football in general still seem to have a connection with the club and turn up, seem to have good relationship with club (see Bale, BAE as great examples), multiple ex players across multiple ex managers qualify.

I get GLC is frustrated with his time here, we were frustrated as well, him saying he was told he was part of the plans each season? he probably was, probably got injured but available or not, its on him to convince the manager (literally nothing to do with club regime). Dier was told multiple times to move on, Lloris also knew, and again similar to Dier was too picky about next step. I'd argue the club did huge favors to all the Hugo, GLC, Gil, Dier, Aurier, and others in recent past, we seemingly have walked back on the era of have to get money/back profit (Carrick/Modric/Berbatov era was different but even Modric seems to have a soft spot for us at times)
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Perhaps not understanding your point.

I guess my confusion is when fans take the narrative that a player like Gio is not performing on the training ground, or is a crock, or cares more for his country, or other words that suit their argument. Then you hear the player perspective and watch with your own eyes.

The reality is that another player do worse on the match day, that's what counts the most to me. I used to write about the times that Hojbjerg used to be walking back over the halfway line when the ball hit our net. Other fans would be writing about his all action hero status and his stamina. Aurier was the same. As soon as he thought the opposition might score, he stopped running.

If Spurs had won the league and Gio was an unused sub for most of the season, then I totally get it. We didn't and he was way more useful to this club than the current narrative.

Same as Ange getting 1 point from 15, spacegoating Dier after one single game but then playing Davies and Emerson and blowing smoke up their arses. Do me a favour. Both were bang average, and I watched every minute of every game. Dier was treated shockingly by Ange last season, even though he did need to move on. I'm not sure Reggie is being treated any better.
 
Muttley said:
Perhaps not understanding your point.

I guess my confusion is when fans take the narrative that a player like Gio is not performing on the training ground, or is a crock, or cares more for his country, or other words that suit their argument. Then you hear the player perspective and watch with your own eyes.

The reality is that another player do worse on the match day, that's what counts the most to me. I used to write about the times that Hojbjerg used to be walking back over the halfway line when the ball hit our net. Other fans would be writing about his all action hero status and his stamina. Aurier was the same. As soon as he thought the opposition might score, he stopped running.

If Spurs had won the league and Gio was an unused sub for most of the season, then I totally get it. We didn't and he was way more useful to this club than the current narrative.

Same as Ange getting 1 point from 15, spacegoating Dier after one single game but then playing Davies and Emerson and blowing smoke up their arses. Do me a favour. Both were bang average, and I watched every minute of every game. Dier was treated shockingly by Ange last season, even though he did need to move on. I'm not sure Reggie is being treated any better.
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Managers make decisions about players, Ange actually said (in reference to Dier), that some of the players needed to move on, not because they couldn't play his system, but you couldn't have change without actually changing the personnel.

Is that a good experience for the player? do I believe Gio could have been used more, had a bigger impact? yes

My point is that has nothing to do with ENIC/Levy, it's the actions of individual managers ..
 
Raziel said:
Managers make decisions about players, Ange actually said (in reference to Dier), that some of the players needed to move on, not because they couldn't play his system, but you couldn't have change without actually changing the personnel.

Is that a good experience for the player? do I believe Gio could have been used more, had a bigger impact? yes

My point is that has nothing to do with ENIC/Levy, it's the actions of individual managers ..
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You are correct about the managers in the day to day operations. Where the other layers come in is in the player movements. I think Gio was alluding to getting bum steers from that level of leadership as well.
 
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