Emmanuel Adebayor - Officially gone \o/

[Superhudd]

Re: Official - Adebayor

Our players always seem happy to play with Ade. Never seen even signs of friction there personally, on the pitch at least (where it counts).

He's been a leader for his international side in difficult circumstances, I think his fellow professionals look up to that.

Not sure how fans can "find a player out" anyway, as long as opponents struggle to deal with him as much as they currently do how much does "found out by fans" change anything.

When he got called out by Carragher and Neville on MNF was brilliant.. basically called him a fraud. Since he has gone on a run of decent games. The fans have also cottoned on to his behaviour is or has been linked to his contract year. That is what I mean by being found out by the majority of fans.

Anyway, I am sure you will be delighted to know that I have decided to go back to using my season ticket. Not because he has put in performances but because of the quntish Tottenham fans buying my ticket for cost price and then selling it for more. I did not think that would happen but seeing as it seems to be happening (alerted to the practice of it last week) I am back at the lane for games instead of selling ticket. Looks like greed isn't just at Levy's door with regards stubhub.

 

[braineclipse]

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When he got called out by Carragher and Neville on MNF was brilliant.. basically called him a fraud. Since he has gone on a run of decent games. The fans have also cottoned on to his behaviour is or has been linked to his contract year. That is what I mean by being found out by the majority of fans.

Anyway, I am sure you will be delighted to know that I have decided to go back to using my season ticket. Not because he has put in performances but because of the quntish Tottenham fans buying my ticket for cost price and then selling it for more. I did not think that would happen but seeing as it seems to be happening (alerted to the practice of it last week) I am back at the lane for games instead of selling ticket. Looks like greed isn't just at Levy's door with regards stubhub.

Please look at the stats (re-)posted by Rossi.

 

[Rossi22]

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Can add his stats under Mourinho in as well;

2011 (managed by Mourinho): 5 goals in 14 games at a rate of 149 minutes per goal

 

[Superhudd]

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Didn't Adebayor score 30 in one season for Arsenal!! Doesn't look good for the other seasons does it. :-k

Stats can make anything look good... its my belief stats are used to fool fools. Sky Sports love this way of promoting its angles.

 

[Rossi22]

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Didn't Adebayor score 30 in one season for Arsenal!! Doesn't look good for the other seasons does it. :-k

Stats can make anything look good... its my belief stats are used to fool fools. Sky Sports love this way of promoting its angles.

These stats are cold hard facts though, I don't know how they're meant to be fooling anyone or painting a prettier picture. He's scored at a rate of one goal per 160 minutes for eight years under Wenger, Mancini, Mourinho, Redknapp and Sherwood, over a season that would equate to around 21 goals. His return under AVB is very much an outlier. Plus with Adebayor it's not just about goals, he offers the team so much more.

 

[braineclipse]

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Didn't Adebayor score 30 in one season for Arsenal!! Doesn't look good for the other seasons does it. :-k

Stats can make anything look good... its my belief stats are used to fool fools. Sky Sports love this way of promoting its angles.

But when media pundits agree with your point of view it's "brilliant"... The same media pundits that usually present some of these stats...

 

[Superhudd]

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Because the way you present the stats it hides the fact that 66.654324% of the time Adebayor has been a feckless useless striker, yet the rest of the time he is one of the best strikers.

 

[Superhudd]

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But when media pundits agree with your point of view it's "brilliant"... The same media pundits that usually present some of these stats...

They are told to use these stats by sky.. to make out certain super human wonders that these are superstars. I doubt they have much choice in the matter.

What was a comment passed by in particular Carragher was his point of view.

 

[Rossi22]

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Does that not just even itself out as him being a good striker? Whether 1% of the time he's Messi and the other 99% he's Rasiak, he delivers a goal better than 1 in 2 and provides so much more to our attack. He's a good player and has proven it repeatedly. AVB neutered him, it's clear to see.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

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Not a massive fan of his but i am prepared to believe that last season and the start of this season his poor showing was because of AVB's negative tactics. Still think considering his has attitude problems we should sell if an offer comes in this summer, who to replace with him with is the hard question.

 

[Superhudd]

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Does that not just even itself out as him being a good striker? Whether 1% of the time he's Messi and the other 99% he's Rasiak, he delivers a goal better than 1 in 2 and provides so much more to our attack. He's a good player and has proven it repeatedly. AVB neutered him, it's clear to see.

So please address the seasons at Arsenal on a season by season instead of hiding the ****e with one spectacular year.

I'd much rather a striker score 15-18 a season than 7 - 7 - 30

 

[diego_maradona]

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This thread is amazing when you go back to the start and see what people were saying about him.

To be fair most people said the same thing. When on song and motivated he's fantastic. But he's unreliable. That's still not changed

 

[Rossi22]

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So please address the seasons at Arsenal on a season by season instead of hiding the ****e with one spectacular year.

I'd much rather a striker score 15-18 a season than 7 - 7 - 30

I'm confused, weren't you bemoaning the use of stats just a few posts ago? It wasn't 7-7-30 either, it was 12-30-16. It's funny because those stats only tell you goals, they don't tell you how many minutes those goals came in, he played a lot more minutes in his 30 goal season, they don't tell you that in the other two seasons he wasn't as much the main main (first season it was Henry, 3rd season it was RVP) which is why his return wasn't as good. Minutes per goal is clear, just sticking up his season numbers are not.

 

[Superhudd]

Re: Official - Adebayor

2003/04 Monaco - GS - 21 (SB10) = G8
2004/05 Monaco - GS - 30 (SB5) = G9
2005/06 Mon/Ars - GS - 23 (SB3) = G5
2006/07 Arsenal - GS - 21 (SB8) = G8
2007/08 Arsenal - GS - 32 (SB4) = G24
2008/09 Arsenal - GS - 21 (SB5) = G10
2009/10 City - GS - 25 (SB1) = G14
2010/11 City/Mad - GS - 8 (SB14) = G6
2011/12 Spurs - GS - 31 (SB1) = G17
2012/13 Spurs - GS - 18 (SB7) = G5
2013/14 Spurs - GS - 10 (SB1) = G8

League goalscoring

GS - Games Started
SB - Sub Bench appearance
G - Goals

 

[SteveAWOL]

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So please address the seasons at Arsenal on a season by season instead of hiding the ****e with one spectacular year.

I'd much rather a striker score 15-18 a season than 7 - 7 - 30

Aside from his first 2 seasons at ARSEnal and the one under AVB, Adebayor's scored goals at a fairly consistent rate in the league whilst plying his trade in England and Spain...

Adebayor
05/06: 4 goals in 13 games - 372 minutes/goal
06/07: 8 goals in 21 games - 249 minutes/goal
07/08: 24 goals in 36 games - 122 minutes/goal
08/09: 10 goals in 26 games - 188 minutes/goal
09/10: 14 goals in 26 games - 158 minutes/goal
10/11: 6 goals in 22 games - 164 minutes/goal
11/12: 17 goals in 33 games - 166 minutes/goal
12/13: 5 goals in 25 games - 319 minutes/goal
13/14: 8 goals in 10 games - 113 minutes/goal

For comparison, here's Jermain' goal scoring over the same period...

Defoe
05/06 – 9 goals in 36 games - 245 minutes/goal
06/07 – 10 goalsin 34 games - 194 minutes/goal
07/08 – 12 goals in 31 games - 134 minutes/goal
08/09 – 11 goals in 27 games - 187 minutes/goal
09/10 – 18 goals in 34 games - 142 minutes/goal
10/11 – 4 goals in 22 games - 370 minutes/goal
11/12 – 11 goals in 25 games - 118 minutes/goal
12/13 - 11 goals in 34 games - 219 minutes/goal
13/14 - 1 goal in 14 games - 432 minutes/goal

 

[scaramanga]

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I'm confused, weren't you bemoaning the use of stats just a few posts ago? It wasn't 7-7-30 either, it was 12-30-16. It's funny because those stats only tell you goals, they don't tell you how many minutes those goals came in, he played a lot more minutes in his 30 goal season, they don't tell you that in the other two seasons he wasn't as much the main main (first season it was Henry, 3rd season it was RVP) which is why his return wasn't as good. Minutes per goal is clear, just sticking up his season numbers are not.

It would be interesting to see why he didn't start some of those games too, but I suspect that info isn't officially available.

 

[braineclipse]

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They are told to use these stats by sky.. to make out certain super human wonders that these are superstars. I doubt they have much choice in the matter.

What was a comment passed by in particular Carragher was his point of view.

So they're told by Sky to use stats for a particular purpose, but they're not instructed by Sky to be inflammatory or hyberbolic? You don't think there's half a chance you're reading your own bias into the situation here?

**** me, Carragher has played with some absolute dross over the years at Liverpool, if any of the footballing media had half a nut sack between a newsroom they would be asking him for a follow up description about some of Carragher's previous team mates considering that Ade is apparently "a fraud" by his standards.

So please address the seasons at Arsenal on a season by season instead of hiding the ****e with one spectacular year.

I'd much rather a striker score 15-18 a season than 7 - 7 - 30

You can try to dismiss stats as irrelevant, or you can argue based on them.

If you do the first, why do the second? If you're going to do the second at least take the time to look those stats up and get them right.

In his first season at the scum he scored 8 league goals in 21 starts and 8 sub appearances. Not bad for a first season in the league after arriving from France.
Second season 24 in 32 and 4 sub appearances. Obviously tremendous.
Third season 10 in 21 and 5 as a sub.

http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/16684/emmanuel-adebayor?cc=5739

He's inconsistent, like many strikers and many players. I don't think anyone is arguing against that, but the reactions like the one from Carragher are way over the top.

 

[Superhudd]

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lol.. I brought in stats because the ones that were being used scewed the underlaying impact Adebayor had from season to season. I said I believed that they were scewed and you discounted my thoughts.. so what am I to do then.. join in with the stat phalanx or do I to stay silent.. thus making out you are correct. Do me a favour, your more intelligent than that BClipse to force your point over mine.

As for the 7-7-30.. I put that out there as the type I believe we are dealing with, I did not search out those stats. But trying to explain the theory of what I was saying, as you seemed so intent on using stats as a basis to show everything as gospel.

The cold hard facts are.

Wenger gave up on him
Mancini gave up on him
AVB gave up on him
He plays well in periods, mainly when he has a point to prove or is advantageous to him.

See no stats needed. I won't reply to stat driven drivel from now. :-#

 

[braineclipse]

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lol.. I brought in stats because the ones that were being used scewed the underlaying impact Adebayor had from season to season. I said I believed that they were scewed and you discounted my thoughts.. so what am I to do then.. join in with the stat phalanx or do I to stay silent.. thus making out you are correct. Do me a favour, your more intelligent than that BClipse to force your point over mine.

As for the 7-7-30.. I put that out there as the type I believe we are dealing with, I did not search out those stats. But trying to explain the theory of what I was saying, as you seemed so intent on using stats as a basis to show everything as gospel.

The cold hard facts are.

Wenger gave up on him
Mancini gave up on him
AVB gave up on him
He plays well in periods, mainly when he has a point to prove or is advantageous to him.

See no stats needed. I won't reply to stat driven drivel from now. :-#

Righty-o. I pointed out that I thought it was strange you would give so much credit to Sky pundits when they agreed with you whilst dismissing so much of what they usually do. I still find that somewhat dishonest. Either Carragher and Neville deserve to be listened to or not, cherry picking stuff you agree with and dismissing stuff you disagree with sounds a lot like what you're accusing "the stat phalanx" of.

Wenger didn't give up on him. He lost him to a bigger/richer team, just like he lost Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy and van Persie.

Mancini could spend ridiculous money and keep buying potential top class strikers, in the end he found better players than Ade in Dzeko and Aguero. Ade didn't want to be a squad player. Big whoop.

AVB gave up on him for non-sporting reasons. Reasons that based on what's been reported look strange to me, and illustrative of the kind of clashes that caused a lot of problems for AVB and eventually was part of what cost him his job.

 

[Rossi22]

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He was good under Harry, he's good under Sherwood. So what you need to conclude is whether the down year under AVB was due to Ade not giving a toss or AVB being unable to get the best out of him. Given his minutes per goal record under AVB sticks out like a sore thumb compared to all the other managers he's worked under, I'd lean more towards the latter. I'm not sure what the point you're arguing actually is, having Adebayor in the team is highly beneficial to us, without him we would be struggling.