Djed Spence

[Bishop]

I think Bellingham is an outstanding player with the potential to be a great. His greatest weakness is his temperament, he loses focus too easily and is likely to get on the wrong side of officals with his complaining and rash challenges, it's not the colour of his skin Gascoinge was similar.

Gazza is seen as one of the lads, troubled but a "good lad at heart".

 

[NaijaSpurs]

I think Bellingham is an outstanding player with the potential to be a great. His greatest weakness is his temperament, he loses focus too easily and is likely to get on the wrong side of officals with his complaining and rash challenges, it's not the colour of his skin Gascoinge was similar.

And yet that Cup Final tackle aside people were not focusing on Gazza's temperament because it was accepted he was "as daft as a brush".

Even Beckham, there was a total "lovin' until he got sent off against Argentina in the WC. Then, and only then, were comments made about his temperament

 

[Yiddo]

Gazza is seen as one of the lads, troubled but a "good lad at heart".

Not by everyone. People disliked Gazza because they thought he was a bit of a clam.

I think some people are talking a lot of gonads when they automatically make everything about race. Of course, there are people who target players because of their race, and that’s completely unacceptable. But that doesn’t mean every criticism of a Black footballer is racially motivated. Sometimes a player is criticised for the same reasons any other player would be, whether that’s attitude, effort or performances. We shouldn’t tarnish everyone with the same brush or assume the motive behind every criticism is racism.

 

[harr1984]

With all due respect you have used people who have done some pretty abhorrent things in every day life and some on the pitch, of course people labelled them. Including Barton, I mean come on pal.

Some white players rightly get labelled these things, some wrongly. Same for black players, people who have suggested these things with Spence are doing it rightly or wrongly because of what they believe they've seen - not because of the colour of their skin, it's utterly ridiculous to accuse people you don't know on a forum of doing so(and I know you personally have stopped yourself short of doing that)....

 

[LutonSpurs]

Gazza is seen as one of the lads, troubled but a "good lad at heart".

He's widely given a pass on here and by many, fairly liberal and decent, Spurs fans I know.

As Mathew McConaughey says in a Time to Kill at the end of his closing in the case "now imagine...."

 

[Yiddo]

Some white players rightly get labelled these things, some wrongly. Same for black players, people who have suggested these things with Spence are doing it rightly or wrongly because of what they believe they've seen - not because of the colour of their skin, it's utterly ridiculous to accuse people you don't know on a forum of doing so(and I know you personally have stopped yourself short of doing that)....

I called Hojberg lazy multiple times whilst he was here, its funny that no one had a problem with that. Do i go full circle and claim they don’t care because of his skin colour?

 

[LutonSpurs]

Not by everyone. People disliked Gazza because they thought he was a bit of a clam.

I think some people are talking a lot of gonads when they automatically make everything about race. Of course, there are people who target players because of their race, and that’s completely unacceptable. But that doesn’t mean every criticism of a Black footballer is racially motivated. Sometimes a player is criticised for the same reasons any other player would be, whether that’s attitude, effort or performances. We shouldn’t tarnish everyone with the same brush or assume the motive behind every criticism is racism.

Nobody has said every criticism of a black player is racism. There's specific tropes and comments which feel like they are driven by some subconscious bias. I think it takes courage to see it.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Some white players rightly get labelled these things, some wrongly. Same for black players, people who have suggested these things with Spence are doing it rightly or wrongly because of what they believe they've seen - not because of the colour of their skin, it's utterly ridiculous to accuse people you don't know on a forum of doing so(and I know you personally have stopped yourself short of doing that)....

There are posters on here who have a history of these things. And one of them cut out a critical bit of Anges statement on Djed to try tell their story. I don't call them racist. But it's right to challenge them when they are being irrational and using cut and paste quotes to prove something which they are the same time saying they don't believe.

 

[NaijaSpurs]

Not by everyone. People disliked Gazza because they thought he was a bit of a clam.

I think some people are talking a lot of gonads when they automatically make everything about race. Of course, there are people who target players because of their race, and that’s completely unacceptable. But that doesn’t mean every criticism of a Black footballer is racially motivated. Sometimes a player is criticised for the same reasons any other player would be, whether that’s attitude, effort or performances. We shouldn’t tarnish everyone with the same brush or assume the motive behind every criticism is racism.

Lets make it simple and stick to the issue at hand, let's forget about black players, how many white footballers have you ever seen described in print as having "an attitude problem", over to you, anybody.....

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Ffs

Some white players rightly get labelled these things, some wrongly. Same for black players, people who have suggested these things with Spence are doing it rightly or wrongly because of what they believe they've seen - not because of the colour of their skin, it's utterly ridiculous to accuse people you don't know on a forum of doing so(and I know you personally have stopped yourself short of doing that)....

I haven't stopped myself short, I just haven't because I am genuinely interested to know what people see Djed as they do, I actually have to keep repeating myself in the fact I don't want to engage on the race stuff. Anyway so far, its been a whole lot of nothingness other than personality that doesn't align with their own and no handshake.

I think your comment on "what they believe they have seen" is accurate though, because there isn't much else other than perception over fact

Thats the difference I wanted to highlight between the examples you gave (Barton has done bird for example) and what people think about Djed