Daniel Levy - Chairman

[braineclipse]

Probably for Levy regular CL football is more important than a trophy. Raises the clubs profile, attracts sponsors and increases revenue.

I'm sure he wants to win trophies, but he also seems very much a bottom line kind of guy.

But I also think being good enough to be in the CL regularly would increase our chances of winning a trophy quite a bit.

So our interests are mostly aligned.

 

[DubSpur]

The logic is once you sign the ten year deal at a conservative 300million you can borrow off the strength of that and invest in the team.

As I say. It's a free hit.

You stated previously that he is just using us to make money, if that's the case why would he not have got his hands on that 300m if it was available and was woth more than the advertising the stadium is giving us? No logic there.

 

[DubSpur]

Probably for Levy regular CL football is more important than a trophy. Raises the clubs profile, attracts sponsors and increases revenue.

I'm sure he wants to win trophies, but he also seems very much a bottom line kind of guy.

But I also think being good enough to be in the CL regularly would increase our chances of winning a trophy quite a bit.

So our interests are mostly aligned.

Trophies are the only thing missing from his legacy now so I'd be fairly certain that he wants them, even without the extra revenue they would generate.

 

[Batspur]

You stated previously that he is just using us to make money, if that's the case why would he not have got his hands on that 300m if it was available and was woth more than the advertising the stadium is giving us? No logic there.

The logic there is he is saving the naming rights of the stadium to offer to the folks that want to buy the club off him.

It adds another 300million to the selling price.

It's pretty straightforward.

 

[DubSpur]

The logic there is he is saving the naming rights of the stadium to offer to the folks that want to buy the club off him.

It adds another 300million to the selling price.

It's pretty straightforward.

The price of the club would be partly based on revenue. 30m more extra revenue a year bumps the price up. Leaving it blank in order to sell makes zero sense, especially as there is no evidence that he wants to sell, and doesn't add 300m to the price. In fact the evidence is the opposite, actively looking to sell a stake in the club suggest that they don't want to sell the lot.

 

[Batspur]

The price of the club would be partly based on revenue. 30m more extra revenue a year bumps the price up. Leaving it blank in order to sell makes zero sense, especially as there is no evidence that he wants to sell, and doesn't add 300m to the price. In fact the evidence is the opposite, actively looking to sell a stake in the club suggest that they don't want to sell the lot.

I do agree leaving it blank makes no sense.

 

[DubSpur]

I do agree leaving it blank makes no sense.

fudging hell, I've never seen anyone change their position as much as you in the space of 5 mins.

 

[thfcsteff]

I guess... But I fail to see the significance. Unless he's purposefully not doing as much to close some deals compared to others to keep his thumb on the scale, and that seems rather unlikely.

He is the main man behind hiring those who make these decisions. He's not out of the loop and probably never will be. But he deserves as much credit fit signing VdV as he deserves criticism for not signing a new LCB/LB/DM/whatever. And for both he deserves essentially very little attention.

I think it is very significatn, because essentially, transfers/deals are conducted in the same way they always have been, which means Daniel reverts to his favoured 'let's see if I can squeeze a bit more from this one' and sometimes plays the game too tight to the margins.

Ange had to fight very very hard for VdV. Everyone else wanted Tapsoba (as I understand it). Ange was insistant on VdV.
Take Dragusin. I believe Daniel was instrumental in getting that deal over the line, actually flying to get the paperwork done, but only because he had engaged in usual operations and gone close to losing the deal altogether.

You seem very defensive of him.
I am not about to launch into a defense of all the great things he's done for the club/brand, because we see them everywhere.
The stadium.
Incredible.
But equally, it is undeniable that he has a way of operating which is absolutely rooted in cold finance. And for all the players he has signed, there is a list of key, key players he did not get across the line (or even approach getting across the line).

 

[thfcsteff]

The weird thing is that wefor too long, for various reasons, had a too short term squad building focus that left us in a tough spot.

But if Levy had done things differently, gone more long term he wouldn't have backed the manager and it would be his fault anyway.

I would like to undersand the point you're making better mate.

What I am getting from your comment, is that he is damned is he does and damned if he doesn't?

Let's face it, for a variety of reasons debated many many times here, he failed to give Poch the proper lift at key moments.
When he did, it was too late and he sacked him a few months later.
He then hired managers -in Mourinho and Conte- who require large instant injections to deliver immediate results. He didn't give either manager that which they openly require, each hung in for the pay-off, and it was an experiment which failed despite having the most prolific pair of forwards possibly in Premier League history (I known - a bit hyperbolic maybe!).

He has now gone back to 'project' mode, and I am happy with that as long as Ange gets project time and the sort of investment he wants in key areas when he needs it. Gallagher was one of those players. Whether we rate him or not, Ange really wanted him. We didn't get the deal done and it was there to be done. Eze similarly. Solanke? Let's face it, if he hadn't got that done, Ange would likely have quit it was that important to the club. Essentially (IMO) we are back in the early Poch days, and we cannot make the mistakes we made back then (i.e. n ot getting Mane when the manager really wanted him).
If Daniel is prepared to give Ange this season and next, with backing, fantastic and well played. Because I think Ange can do it for us, I really do. Let's see...

 

[thfcsteff]

Probably for Levy regular CL football is more important than a trophy. Raises the clubs profile, attracts sponsors and increases revenue.

I'm sure he wants to win trophies, but he also seems very much a bottom line kind of guy.

But I also think being good enough to be in the CL regularly would increase our chances of winning a trophy quite a bit.

So our interests are mostly aligned.

100%
And in the modern game, if we want to win the major major prizes, top 4 is going to be vital financially.

As for being good enough to be in the CL regularly increasing our chances, that only works IF at that point we invest to actually WIN them, as opposed to simply maintaining a top 4 push.

You might find our pod discussion this week interesting FYI

 

[thfcsteff]

I think the comparisons to CEOs of "normal" companies, presidents or a manager seem more relevant to you than to me.

The only thing that would change your mind is success on the pitch. The only thing that would change my mind would be if we're no longer seemingly moving in a positive direction.

Which spins an excellent question.
What do we consider moving in a positive direction, and how do we measure it? By ourselves? By those around us?
I'm going to think about it myself.