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Daniel Levy - Chairman

BrainOfLevy said:
Do they actually face doing a Leeds or Sunderland? I think the ‘don’t wanna do a Leeds’ bogeyman scenario has been something that has benefitted ENIC, maybe a little bit more than it should have. I definitely don’t want to do a Leeds, but I think there is a middle ground between that and going for it a little bit.

But even if they did go back to the Championship, a couple of the biggest prizes on offer for their trouble is nothing to be sniffed at. But the likelihood is they get bought by someone else, and roll the dice again.

ENIC are great for keeping us in the top 6. Are they the surest things for helping us take the step from here.
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Using Peter Ridsdale as a yardstick is like using Harold Shipman as a yardstick for comparing doctors.
 
Bishop said:
It's been period of progress on the field but not a period of success. Success is actually achieving something in the end and we haven't done that. So nope, no success.

Progression on the pitch is actually enough for me I can be quite satisfied with progress. We aren't progressing anymore. We are regressing.

Regarding they lack of positivity I guess I find it difficult to be overtly positive under Levy's leadership. I see a chairman who is unsure and afraid to make the bold steps. To make the though decisions, that's what I want to see. I think my post was quite clear in what I expect to see from a team of our relatively tight finances. A lithe and agile operator of the transfer market to maximise our returns. We are far from that.
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Can you outline what should happen post Enic? At the moment, forgive me for finding your outlook a little negative focusing on what is not right and putting little constructive forward on what should happen.

As for our regular participation in the CL and building a stadium (that secures and elevates Spurs long term!)...these are not a success in your book.

Have the likes of West Ham, Everton or villa done better? You’d swap their setup for ours? Even Leicester are probably not a better long term bet than us.


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BrainOfLevy said:
Honestly I’d rather roll the dice and risk having a few years bottom half.

I wouldn’t want to roll the dice if it lead to relegation. But a degree of risk, I’m happy with at this point. With owners that could afford a few goes.

I think people are assuming under ENIC we eventually arrive at this point where we use all this money the club generates to genuinely challenge City, and we’ve done it all the right way. I’m not sure that point ever arrives under them.
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So you’d happily gamble Spurs future. You wouldn’t do the same with your own house or savings though.

The biggest misnomer is that trophies are it. Of course we all want to see us lift them. But it is not a destination in itself is it? Supporting Spurs is much much more than that. If you can’t see that we’re making progress and just want us to press the cheat button and buy success you’re only setting yourself up for more disappointment. As we’ve discussed, you need a benign billionaire, enic to want to sell and there is no guarantees that new owners want to splurge their money away.

The moral of the story which is a reflection of life in general, is to appreciate what you have, rather than be down you don’t have x y z. We will have plenty of successes. There are few other chairman I trust as a custodian as much as I do levy. We should get behind him and see what can be achieved until such time that they do sell.


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Baleforce said:
How are you defining "bold step" though, based solely on outcome?

Was Ndombele not a bold step, hiring Jose, keeping Eriksen for that little bit longer, bringing Bale back?
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Ndombele was bold so credit there. Hiring Jose was the opposite of bold, he's man of the past, a safe name. A past it manager hired just to appease fans with someone name brand. Keeping Eriksen an extra year is the very opposite of bold and the workings of a savvy transfer operator. Bold is selling him at the height of his rep, gain the maximum return for him and reinvest that money back into the squad. Bringing Bale yet again I don't consider that bold. He's a safe name, you know the level that he can achieve. Yet we also know why he hasn't worked at Real Madrid in recent years. For me again that's a lazy signing.

Bold is going for someone like Sekou Koita for the RWF position, bold is going for Soumare. Bold is selling Son if he's not signing and reinvesting onto new players.
 
Bishop said:
Ndombele was bold so credit there. Hiring Jose was the opposite of bold, he's man of the past, a safe name. A past it manager hired just to appease fans with someone name brand. Keeping Eriksen an extra year is the very opposite of bold and the workings of a savvy transfer operator. Bold is selling him at the height of his rep, gain the maximum return for him and reinvest that money back into the squad. Bringing Bale yet again I don't consider that bold. He's a safe name, you know the level that he can achieve. Yet we also know why he hasn't worked at Real Madrid in recent years. For me again that's a lazy signing.

Bold is going for someone like Sekou Koita for the RWF position, bold is going for Soumare. Bold is selling Son if he's not signing and reinvesting onto new players.
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So you would sell kane this summer?

Not a dig. There would be a good argument cor selling him.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Can you outline what should happen post Enic? At the moment, forgive me for finding your outlook a little negative focusing on what is not right and putting little constructive forward on what should happen.

As for our regular participation in the CL and building a stadium (that secures and elevates Spurs long term!)...these are not a success in your book; well I don’t know what to say! Have West Ham or Everton or villa done better?


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You're misunderstanding what I've said. I haven't advocated for ENIC to sell up. I just want Levy removed from affairs of the first team.

The squad can be better managed and fees better optimised to keep the football side progressing. The stadium is nice the training centre a bonus and of course good things for the overall structure. But I don't watch the stadium, I watch the team and I've watched this team stagnant while our chairman sat on the sidelines and didn't anticipate or importantly react. That's my entire beef, I just don't believe based on 20nyeaes of evidence that he has the instincts to make great footballing decisions. Even hiring Mourinho is just another nail in that coffin for me. It was all too predictable.
 
Bishop said:
Ndombele was bold so credit there. Hiring Jose was the opposite of bold, he's man of the past, a safe name. A past it manager hired just to appease fans with someone name brand. Keeping Eriksen an extra year is the very opposite of bold and the workings of a savvy transfer operator. Bold is selling him at the height of his rep, gain the maximum return for him and reinvest that money back into the squad. Bringing Bale yet again I don't consider that bold. He's a safe name, you know the level that he can achieve. Yet we also know why he hasn't worked at Real Madrid in recent years. For me again that's a lazy signing.

Bold is going for someone like Sekou Koita for the RWF position, bold is going for Soumare. Bold is selling Son if he's not signing and reinvesting onto new players.
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So we should have sold Kane a couple of years ago?

Do you think you opinion of Jose matches Levy’s? It’s fine to disagree with him, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t consider it a bold decision.
 
Lilbaz said:
So you would sell kane this summer?

Not a dig. There would be a good argument cor selling him.
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If Kane isn't going to sign we have to sell and sell at the height of his rep. I'm not emotional about any player, they come and go but Tottenham remains.

We will struggle to replace him [emoji817] but that is the eternal struggle of the non successful football teams.
 
Baleforce said:
So we should have sold Kane a couple of years ago?

Do you think you opinion of Jose matches Levy’s? It’s fine to disagree with him, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t consider it a bold decision.
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It's hard to square the idea that we are happy treading water when you consider how highly Levy thought of Mourinho - he thought he was appointing someone to get us over the line (although that does point to a major flaw in his ability to judge a manager)
 
Bishop said:
If Kane isn't going to sign we have to sell and sell at the height of his rep. I'm not emotional about any player, they come and go but Tottenham remains.

We will struggle to replace him [emoji817] but that is the eternal struggle of the non successful football teams.
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Fair enough. I doubt we will this summer as apart from city and psg i don't think there is a team that can afford him. Utd maybe but they have to have a £65m profit each year to keep the banks from possibly taking control. Which they will struggle to do. Liverpool haven't got any money. Barca can't pay their players and real are struggling. The whole of italian football is facing financial disaster.
 
Baleforce said:
So we should have sold Kane a couple of years ago?

Do you think you opinion of Jose matches Levy’s? It’s fine to disagree with him, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t consider it a bold decision.
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I'd sell Kane now of we can't get him to re-sign. A couple of years ago no because we had the years on his contract. I don't really want to sell him now as I think we will struggle massively to replace him but if that's what it comes down to then that is what we need to do.

Levy thought Mourinho was one of "the best two managers in the game." Pre 2014 that's a decent argument but after watching his post Real Madrid slide how you could still have that view confuses me and honestly makes me further question if Levy's opinion on football matters is worth a great deal.

It's a fair comment that maybe he considered it a bold move though, I think it was just a bad move period. I thought so at the time but I bit my tongue thought positively and understand I'm not even anti Jose guy. We've had plenty of discussions over the last year regarding him I respect him but I just thought he was always a terrible fit for us. I can't lie I feel like Levy should also know that. He is our Chairman, that's his job, those are his responsibilities.
 
billyiddo said:
It's hard to square the idea that we are happy treading water when you consider how highly Levy thought of Mourinho - he thought he was appointing someone to get us over the line (although that does point to a major flaw in his ability to judge a manager)
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I think that points more to a major flaw in his ability to judge where our squad was at and to identify the right players needed to improve it (Hitchen also culpable here I guess). If he thought Mourinho or any other manager was going to turn us into winners with the poor CB options, one reliable DM and the assorted dead weights hanging around then it really is time to take a step back and leave the football decisions to someone else.
 
Bishop said:
I'd sell Kane now of we can't get him to re-sign. A couple of years ago no because we had the years on his contract. I don't really want to sell him now as I think we will struggle massively to replace him but if that's what it comes down to then that is what we need to do.

Levy thought Mourinho was one of "the best two managers in the game." Pre 2014 that's a decent argument but after watching his post Real Madrid slide how you could still have that view confuses me and honestly makes me further question if Levy's opinion on football matters is worth a great deal.

It's a fair comment that maybe he considered it a bold move though, I think it was just a bad move period. I thought so at the time but I bit my tongue thought positively and understand I'm not even anti Jose guy. We've had plenty of discussions over the last year regarding him I respect him but I just thought he was always a terrible fit for us. I can't lie I feel like Levy should also know that. He is our Chairman, that's his job, those are his responsibilities.
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Kane has 3 years left on his contract
 
Bedfordspurs said:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/16/fa-cup-tottenham-mauricio-pochettino-culture

here is our manager belittling the fa cup
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He isn't belittling it at all, he is saying that it would not make the team or the club into an entity with a serial winners mentality.
All our "leaders" have come out after big game failures and said "we can't keep doing the same things", "we need to be ready for the challenge" and other bs, pity they do, and that imho proves poch to be right.
The sqads we have had over the last 6-8 years has been great on paper, and folded just as easy as paper.
 
glasgowspur said:
He isn't belittling it at all, he is saying that it would not make the team or the club into an entity with a serial winners meteorology.
All our "leaders" have come out after big game failures and said "we can't keep doing the same things", "we need to be ready for the challenge" and other bs, pity they do, and that imho proves poch to be right.
The sqads we have had over the last 6-8 years has been great on paper, and folded just as easy as paper.
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Weak minded players
 
Bishop said:
You're misunderstanding what I've said. I haven't advocated for ENIC to sell up. I just want Levy removed from affairs of the first team.

The squad can be better managed and fees better optimised to keep the football side progressing. The stadium is nice the training centre a bonus and of course good things for the overall structure. But I don't watch the stadium, I watch the team and I've watched this team stagnant while our chairman sat on the sidelines and didn't anticipate or importantly react. That's my entire beef, I just don't believe based on 20nyeaes of evidence that he has the instincts to make great footballing decisions. Even hiring Mourinho is just another nail in that coffin for me. It was all too predictable.
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I massively agree with you here. There’s almost two separate debates happening here. There is one thing to saying we’d rather new owners who will invest more money. Clearly the difficulty will be finding someone rich enough.

But there’s another thread about ENIC’s decisions, because the argument seems to be that a club with our resources and our position in the food chain could have only done it exactly the way we have done it. And that’s very easy to argue against. The thing I really agree with you on is selling players at the right time. If we want to keep professing as a team rather than worrying what the accounts said, we could have done it.

I go back to the summer of selling Walker and signing Sanchez and Aurier. We got a big fee, replaced the player and signed a top prospect globally in another position. And then we just stopped doing it. We hung on to Eriksen way too long. Why? Was it because of the stadium? Or was it because we stopped being bold?
 
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